[Board] UN Meeting

Wed Oct 12 04:01:01 PDT 2016

+1 Michael & Venka

I am definitely in favour of self-organising groups. Only if stalemates arise they should seek help and advise from Board et al. 

Kind regards,
Marc Vloemans

> Op 12 okt. 2016 om 12:39 heeft Michael Smith <michael.smith.erdc at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
> 
> It seems to me that this should be a by committee choice, how they want to self organize, what works best for them. We are a do-ocracy. We should let them do. 
> 
> Michael Smith
> Remote Sensing/GIS Center
> US Army Corps of Engineers
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2016, at 6:25 AM, Venka <venka.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sanghee and all,
>> 
>> I am fine with autonomy for our committees and have
>> never been against it. We only need to state this clearly
>> in our Committee guidelines [1] which I choose to follow
>> in absence of any other guideline.
>> 
>> I agree with what Arnulf stated well in his mail
>> [2]. I reproduce parts of his e-mail [2] below
>> as he has phrased it better than I can.
>> 
>> "In that case we may want to change the general voting system to a majority vote as is typical for democratic systems. This is something for the board or maybe even the charter members to decide."
>> 
>> So, let us decide;
>> 
>> a) if majority vote will be 50% of the votes cast or X% as decided
>>  by the committee.
>> b) if a -1 vote can have different meanings for different committees
>> c) if committees is free to decide who could be a member, which
>> member could vote and which member is automatically retired.
>> 
>> And having taken the decision, let us update our committee
>> guidelines [1] and also have our committees to come up with their
>> own guidelines and put it on the wiki. This will make our
>> decision making process clear and transparent.
>> 
>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Committee_Guidelines
>> [2] https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2016-September/003944.html
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Venka
>> 
>>> On 2016/10/12 18:10, Sanghee Shin wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> OSGeo is a community of communities and not a centralised
>>> organisation. I don’t believe Board could set up or apply any single
>>> clear governance rule for the whole committees. If there’s any
>>> weird(to some) governance procedure in any committees, that’s also
>>> the part of the committees’s long history that started before OSGeo.
>>> I support the autonomy of each committee which knows the real matter
>>> there.
>>> 
>>> Cheers, 신상희 --- Shin, Sanghee Gaia3D, Inc. - The GeoSpatial Company
>>> http://www.gaia3d.com
>>> 
>>>> 2016. 10. 11., 오후 3:26, Maria Antonia Brovelli
>>>> <maria.brovelli at polimi.it> 작성:
>>>> 
>>>> For completeness, the main point under discussion was the one
>>>> related to voting procedures. "Everyday topics will be decided upon
>>>> by an open vote of all list participants in a clearly designated
>>>> separate mail thread (+1/-1) over a minimum of two business days
>>>> with a minimum participation of 3 votes. Ideally we aim for
>>>> consensus falling back on simple majority vote where necessary. The
>>>> result will be clearly declared afterwards (or whatever is
>>>> decided)." I believed (and still believe) that for important
>>>> decisions as those of the CC, we need more participation in voting,
>>>> i.e. a quorum of 50 %. As far as I have understood there is a
>>>> handful of such decisions a year. After a long discussion about
>>>> this topic, what was suggested by many volunteers (of the CC or not
>>>> of the CC) is that the governance has to be decided by the Board
>>>> and the CC decides only on the Conferences. Here we are: we will
>>>> discuss this topic in next Board meeting.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> An for precision: when we made this discussion and I proposed to
>>>> put the decision of governance in the hand of the Board, I was not
>>>> in  the Board.
>>>> 
>>>> Lovely day. Maria
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------- Prof. Maria
>>>> Antonia Brovelli Vice Rector for Como Campus and GIS Professor
>>>> Politecnico di Milano
>>>> 
>>>> ISPRS WG IV/4"Collaborative crowdsourced cloud mapping (C3M)";
>>>> OSGeo; ICA-OSGeo-ISPRS Advisory Board; NASA WorldWind Europa
>>>> Challenge; SIFET Sol Katz Award 2015
>>>> 
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>>>> <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it> e-mail2 <>:
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Da: Board <board-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> per conto di Cameron
>>>> Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> Inviato: lunedì 10 ottobre 2016
>>>> 22.38 A: Anita Graser; board at lists.osgeo.org Oggetto: Re: [Board]
>>>> UN Meeting
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/10/2016 4:53 AM, Anita Graser wrote:
>>>>> The board micro-managed the conference com? (I'm asking because I
>>>>> have not read the entire thread on the conf mailing list.) Any
>>>>> way, lets try not to repeat this process with the UNCom.
>>>> Hi Anita, I suggest read the thread embedded into my last email
>>>> I've just CCed to the board. It doesn't include everything, but
>>>> does include enough that you should get an idea.
>>>> 
>>>> The quick summary: * After a conference committee face-to-face
>>>> meeting at FOSS4G, Steven took on an action to clarify conference
>>>> committee procedures. * He did this, put it out for comment,
>>>> actioned feedback, then put to the proposal to vote * He received
>>>> positive feedback from majority of the conference committee, and
>>>> two -1 vetos from Venka and Maria (who are also on the board). *
>>>> This resulted in 120+ emails, and a stalemate. * Maria has
>>>> suggested to solve the problem of voting rules by putting on the
>>>> board agenda. (Hence the implication of being micro-managed by the
>>>> board)
>>>> 
>>>> -- Cameron Shorter M +61 419 142 254
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