[Board] feedback on Loomio

[Vincent Picavet (ml)]

Hi,

On 14/09/2016 22:05, Jeff McKenna wrote:
[..]
> I know, I must sit back and let technology and innovation and people
> grow, in OSGeo, but I was surprised to notice today that I cannot
> receive email notifications and easily follow and join, what has always
> been Open discussions for voting at the OSGeo Board level, any longer
> because voting is now managed in a closed Loomio system.

I may start to be an old guy, but I do feel the same, and have been
feeling the same with QGIS.ORG way of doing things too.

Thanks for raising the point.
Vincent


> 
> Background
> ----------
> 
> Before anyone gets upset at me for being so close-minded to change, I
> should say that I have been involved in the formation of the QGIS.ORG
> legal entity since its beginning, and I fully support that organization
> (Tim and others invited me to edit their initial documents and provide
> input on its formation).  I do realize that Loomio is being successfully
> used by the QGIS.ORG Board.
> 
> 
> Discussion
> ----------
> 
> The Loomio "OSGeo Board" group requires an account, and also
> surprisingly it requires you to apply to 'join' the group discussion.
> Yes, I am aware that I can visibly see the discussion by clicking on the
> Loomio discussion link; but remember, OSGeo Board discussions are done
> in the open and have always been very easy to follow through this
> mailing list.  Now though, with Loomio, important discussions are
> occurring on a system that only 9 people (the board members) have
> privileges to both post a comment or receive email notifications.  I
> actually assumed Loomio would somehow be used to log voting, but all
> voting would still be displayed on the OSGeo Board list, and all
> discussions would occur on the Board list.
> 
> Sure, Loomio offers nice charts and fancy tools, and votes are logged,
> but since discussion is closed that really defeats the purpose.
> 
> Again, it might be great for the QGIS.ORG entity, but for OSGeo where we
> have always tried to be so open and transparent, Loomio appears to me to
> be a sudden change in the foundation's thinking.
> 
> Conclusion
> ----------
> 
> I believe the OSGeo Board is still experimenting with Loomio, but I
> wanted to give you my thoughts today, as I was surprised to find how
> difficult it is to follow voting discussions now.
> 
> Maybe there is a way or a hook so that all discussions and messages on
> Loomio are posted right away to this mailing list, so Loomio can be used
> to record voting but have discussions still occur in the open.   Not sure.
> 
> I just think my impressions might be useful, as I tried to follow
> today's discussions.  (yes, still do, always have, on each of OSGeo's
> 200-ish mailing lists ha)
> 
> thanks,
> 
> -jeff
> 
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