[Board] feedback on Loomio

[Helena Mitasova]

I have mixed feelings about Loomio too - maybe we should give it few more
weeks and then decide
whether it i suitable for OSGeo board or not, Helena

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:33 PM, Vincent Picavet (ml) <
vincent.ml at oslandia.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 14/09/2016 22:05, Jeff McKenna wrote:
> [..]
> > I know, I must sit back and let technology and innovation and people
> > grow, in OSGeo, but I was surprised to notice today that I cannot
> > receive email notifications and easily follow and join, what has always
> > been Open discussions for voting at the OSGeo Board level, any longer
> > because voting is now managed in a closed Loomio system.
>
> I may start to be an old guy, but I do feel the same, and have been
> feeling the same with QGIS.ORG way of doing things too.
>
> Thanks for raising the point.
> Vincent
>
>
> >
> > Background
> > ----------
> >
> > Before anyone gets upset at me for being so close-minded to change, I
> > should say that I have been involved in the formation of the QGIS.ORG
> > legal entity since its beginning, and I fully support that organization
> > (Tim and others invited me to edit their initial documents and provide
> > input on its formation).  I do realize that Loomio is being successfully
> > used by the QGIS.ORG Board.
> >
> >
> > Discussion
> > ----------
> >
> > The Loomio "OSGeo Board" group requires an account, and also
> > surprisingly it requires you to apply to 'join' the group discussion.
> > Yes, I am aware that I can visibly see the discussion by clicking on the
> > Loomio discussion link; but remember, OSGeo Board discussions are done
> > in the open and have always been very easy to follow through this
> > mailing list.  Now though, with Loomio, important discussions are
> > occurring on a system that only 9 people (the board members) have
> > privileges to both post a comment or receive email notifications.  I
> > actually assumed Loomio would somehow be used to log voting, but all
> > voting would still be displayed on the OSGeo Board list, and all
> > discussions would occur on the Board list.
> >
> > Sure, Loomio offers nice charts and fancy tools, and votes are logged,
> > but since discussion is closed that really defeats the purpose.
> >
> > Again, it might be great for the QGIS.ORG entity, but for OSGeo where we
> > have always tried to be so open and transparent, Loomio appears to me to
> > be a sudden change in the foundation's thinking.
> >
> > Conclusion
> > ----------
> >
> > I believe the OSGeo Board is still experimenting with Loomio, but I
> > wanted to give you my thoughts today, as I was surprised to find how
> > difficult it is to follow voting discussions now.
> >
> > Maybe there is a way or a hook so that all discussions and messages on
> > Loomio are posted right away to this mailing list, so Loomio can be used
> > to record voting but have discussions still occur in the open.   Not
> sure.
> >
> > I just think my impressions might be useful, as I tried to follow
> > today's discussions.  (yes, still do, always have, on each of OSGeo's
> > 200-ish mailing lists ha)
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > -jeff
> >
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