[Board] [FOSS4G 2016] Reminder - Publication of papers of the FOSS4G 2016 Academic Track
b.j.kobben at utwente.nl
b.j.kobben at utwente.nl
Fri Sep 15 13:08:47 PDT 2017
For the record: there is no "formatted pdf of the full proceedings from 2016", that was exactly what the original funding request was for. We are going round in circles...
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Barend Köbben
On 15/09/2017, 20:12, "Charlie Schweik" <cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu> wrote:
Hi,
If there is a formatted pdf of the full proceedings from 2016, we could easily publish that on the system we've developed and with the OSGeo Journal.
I was only raising the point about Zia and funding if there was some funds for reformatting might take him some significant time. On the wiki it suggested there might be some funds. But it would be great if somehow we could get 2016 on the site we've produced.
Cheers,
Charlie
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Franz-Josef Behr
<franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de> wrote:
Dear Barend,
thank you very much for your timeline!
In addition the process is still aggravated by the expectation of some authors that their article should be published in a journal with a recognized impact factor because we had envisaged and announced that excellent submission will be published in TGIS or
IJC.
However due to the amount of papers to publish at TGIS (Transactions in GIS), the editor finally declined.
I contacted the editors of Int. Journal of Cartography (IJC) in January 2016 and again in November 2016 without receiving any reply. This is very poor.
I do not know how to proceed.
Best regards - Franz-Josef
Am 15.09.2017 um 19:39 schrieb
b.j.kobben at utwente.nl <mailto:b.j.kobben at utwente.nl>:
Dear board members,
I am really sorry, but your responses are what I'd like to call "out of scope". I did send you an earlier email on that (see below) but got no response at all. So, let me again try to reconstruct the actual facts:
- after the 2016 FOSS4g Franz-Josef Behr gathered the academic track papers that were (after review) selected to be published in the OSGEO Journal
- on 13.02.2017 he had asked Christian Wilmes how to get the papers published, and Christian answered he could do the actual publishing on the web site, but not the copy-editing (LaTeX lay-out and PDF production) of the volume
- on 29.03.2017 Franz-Josef Behr asked the Board (Venka) if they would be willing to provide funds (an estimate of 1200 euro was given) to have this done [as I explained in my mail I cannot again do this for free this time]
- on 22.06.2017 (3 months had passed!] FJ reminded you and asked "to come back to the request for funding"
- on 28.07.2017 Venka asked for a Loomio vote on it. But then he wrote the same day "On second thought, we could also request the Bonn-LoC to handle this request from the surplus generated at FOSS4G-"016, Bonn."
- this was requested of the FOSS4g2017 LoC and on 1.08.2017 Till Adams replied "of course we can make the payment, if the board approves the request."
- But this request was never discussed, as now a plan surfaced to combine the 2016 with the 2017 proceedings.
- Then on 15.09.2017, Charly Schweik (AT 2017 chair) told the board on that plan "Yes, we could publish [...], we either need to show you how to use the system, or if there is some possible funding, we might be able to hire Mohammed Zia to format all the papers
for your proceedings into this system."
So, after almost a year of deliberations, the result is another request for funding... Good luck with that.
yours,
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Barend Köbben
On 23/08/2017, 21:12, "Köbben, B.J. (ITC)" <b.j.kobben at utwente.nl> wrote:
I am sorry, but I feel obliged to step in here: The discussion as apparently conducted in the F2F has no bearing on the original request by Franz-Josef, which was simply for funding to have somebody (and yes, he asked me) to do the COPY-EDITING (i.e taking
the original papers as submitted by the authors and turning them into proper lay-out in LaTeX, and producing a journal edition); This is for producing a volume of the sadly neglected osgeo publication called OSGEO Journal. This was what was promised to the
authors when their papers that were accepted for the academic track of Foss4G 2016 would be published. They are waiting for this promise to be fulfilled already more than a year!
I appreciate I have done that task earlier "for free", for volumes 13 and 14 of the journal (the FOSS4G AT proceedings of Nottingham and Portland, respectively). But at those editions I was the (co-)Chair of the Academic Track, and thus could defend
my time to my Professor, as being an AT chair earns you academic brownie points. For the 2016 Bonn edition I was not, and thus when Franz-Josef asked me because, apparently, no one else was willing and/or able to do the copy-editing, I told him it would have
to be a payed-for job this time. He requested this funding already in March I think, so it's surprising that no decision has been made yet, and even the original request is still clearly not properly understood...
The OSGEO Journal is a proper outlet for this, as it is an official Open Access ISSN-numbered journal of the
osgeo.org <http://osgeo.org>. I called it "sadly neglected" before because the last volumes are indeed the two I copy-edited (it originally was supposed to be at least yearly). And there's no sign of it at the new
site....
yours truly,
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Barend Köbben
OSgeo.org Charter Member / OSgeo.nl Dutch chapter treasurer
Senior Lecturer – ITC-University of Twente (Netherlands)
@barendkobben
On 15/09/2017, 18:44, "Jody Garnett" <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps that was buried in an email thread and not visible. Is there anything else we can do to facilitate? Do we need to email
discuss at osgeo.org or geoforall ...
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Jody Garnett
On 15 September 2017 at 09:33, Helena Mitasova
<hmitaso at ncsu.edu> wrote:
On Sep 15, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
Hey Barend:
This was first brought to my attention in the Boston f2f meeting, while there were some questions we did end up with a couple of action items:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Face_to_Face_Meeting_Boston_2017#Vote_on_funding_requests <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Face_to_Face_Meeting_Boston_2017#Vote_on_funding_requests>
* Action Venka: Ask Franz to ask in public on the board email list?
* Action Helena: Ask Charlie if foss4g Bonn publication accept a few more papers?
Venka/Helena was there any response?
yes I already responded to this a while ago on the board list and yes Charlie Schweik is interested in publishing the 2016 proceedings through the same OSGeo journal platform as 2017 proceedings managed by UMass library.
So I suggest that Franz-Josef contacts Charlie (cc-d here) to make the arrangements.
Helena
You are totally welcome to attend any board meeting, especially if anything is time critical. I will point out that while the board can make decisions we are
a contributor driven organization requiring participation to get work done.
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Jody Garnett
On 15 September 2017 at 08:22, <b.j.kobben at utwente.nl> wrote:
Dear Moritz,
I would not hold your breath if I was you....
I have now given up on editing the OSGEO Journal (and consequently on the OSGEO board). Already in the beginning of this year Franz-Josef asked me if I would be willing to copy-edit the OSGEO journal edition for the 2016 proceedings, but since then
the OSGEO
board is either not willing or not capable of making any decision. They seem to be able to endlessly discuss voting procedures or the merits of cooperation with LocationTech, but a simple decision on funding our own OSGEO-Journal is apparently beyond
them...
I sincerely advise you to retract your paper (which I thought was well worth reading) and send it in to a journal whose organisation is in better order. I don't have the emails of the other authors, otherwise I'd also advise them likewise...
yours, truly,
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Barend Köbben
On 15/09/2017, 14:55, "Moritz Lennert" <moritz.lennert at ulb.ac.be> wrote:
ping
On 02/09/17 14:23, Moritz Lennert wrote:
> Dear Franz-Josef,
>
> Is there still no news on this ?
>
> IIUC, the articles are ready, and we have someone willing to do the job
> of layouting the OSGeo journal. So, where is this still blocking ? It is
> a bit of a pity that these proceedings have not been published before
> the next FOSS4G...
>
> If it weren't for my loyalty to OSGeo I would start to regret deciding
> not to publish elsewhere...
>
> Best wishes,
> Moritz
>
> On 11/08/17 14:22,
b.j.kobben at utwente.nl <mailto:b.j.kobben at utwente.nl> wrote:
>> Hi Moritz,
>>
>> I think Franz-Josef proposed something to the OSGEO board back in early May, but I have received no news on this issue.
>>
>> yours,
>>
>>
>> --
>> Barend Köbben
>>
>>
>> On 27/07/2017, 18:39, "Moritz Lennert" <moritz.lennert at ulb.ac.be> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Has there been any advancement on this ? Has the board approved the
>> funding ?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Moritz
>>
>> On 22/06/17 16:18, Franz-Josef Behr wrote:
>> > Dear Venka,
>> >
>> > I want to come back to the request for funding of 2 days work for
>> > formatting for another issue of the OSGeo journal.
>> >
>> > Best regards - Franz-Josef
>> >
>> >
>> > Am 10.05.2017 um 21:49 schrieb Franz-Josef Behr:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Venka,
>> >>
>> >> here the estimation from Barend regarding the amount necessary for
>> >> copyediting and layouting of the papers for the journal
>> >>
>> >> Best regards - Franz-Josef
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
>> >>> Betreff: Re: [FOSS4G 2016] Fwd: Re: [Journal] Feedback: [FOSS4G
>> >>> Proceedings] Reminder - Publication of papers of the FOSS4G 2016
>> >>> Academic Trac
>> >>> Datum: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 07:26:01 +0000
>> >>> Von: b.j.kobben at utwente.nl
>> >>> An:
franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de <mailto:franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> sure, then 24 x 50 =*€ 1200,-*
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Barend Köbben
>> >>> Senior Lecturer – ITC-University of Twente
>> >>> PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede (Netherlands)
>> >>> ITC Building (room 1-065)
>> >>> @barendkobben
>> >>>
+31-(0)53 4874 253 <tel:%2B31-%280%2953%204874%20253> <tel:%2B31-%280%2953%204874%20253>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 21/04/2017, 04:39, "Franz-Josef Behr"<franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Dear Barend,
>> >>>
>> >>> to be on the safe side: I suggest 24 hours, there might be issues with
>> >>> the resolution of images and things like that.
>> >>>
>> >>> What do you think? Can you update your offer?
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards - Franz-Josef
>> >>>
>> >>> Am 19.04.2017 um 14:34
schriebb.j.kobben at utwente.nl <mailto:schriebb.j.kobben at utwente.nl>:
>> >>> > Hi Franz-Josef,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I don't see too much problems (other then that it is actually a list of 10 papers, not 9 ;-)
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Do I understand correctly that the papers should/could be published as is, that is I only need to copy-edit these into LaTeX and publish a OSGEO Journal volume in PDF...?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > If the academic chairs provide me with all the texts and graphics, and also a small introduction or editiorial, I would assume the 130 pages or so would take me maybe 2 full days to process. So let's say 16 hours à €50 is €800,-
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Does that sound reasonable?
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> > Barend Köbben
>> >>> > Senior Lecturer – ITC-University of Twente
>> >>> > PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede (Netherlands)
>> >>> > ITC Building (room 1-065)
>> >>> > @barendkobben
>> >>> >
+31-(0)53 4874 253 <tel:%2B31-%280%2953%204874%20253> <tel:+31%2053%20487%204253>
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On 18/04/2017, 21:45, "Franz-Josef Behr"<franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Dear Barend,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > find attached the list of 9 papers
>> >>> > (FOSS4G2016_Submitted_Papers_2017_04_18_FJB_SV_TTV_CW_for_OSGeo.xlsx).
>> >>> > You can see the number of pages in the sheet "for OSGeo Journal".
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I also attach some papers (not all), just to give you an idea. Please
>> >>> > note that author's nhame are not yet included.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I hope this is sufficient for a cost estimation.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Best regards - Franz-Josef
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Am 12.04.2017 um 09:20
schriebb.j.kobben at utwente.nl <mailto:schriebb.j.kobben at utwente.nl>:
>> >>> > > Hi Franz-Josef,
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > I have no idea about the amount of work, because I was not involved earlier I do not know:
>> >>> > > - how many papers were accepted
>> >>> > > - how large these papers are
>> >>> > > - how they were originally sent in (file-format, was a template used, separate images in high quality?)
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > With that info (or even better, if you send me the paper originals) I could make an estimate of the amount of hours...
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > yours,
>> >>> > >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Am 12.04.2017 um 07:15 schrieb Venka:
>> >>> Hi Fraz-Josef,
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry, I seem to have missed your earlier mail
>> >>> regarding this matter.
>> >>>
>> >>> I will need to take this up with the board.
>> >>> Can you give an idea of the amount that you
>> >>> request for copyediting and layouting of
>> >>> papers for the journal issue?
>> >>>
>> >>> Best
>> >>>
>> >>> Venka
>> >>>
>> >>> On 2017/04/12 13:41, Franz-Josef Behr wrote:
>> >>>> Dear Venkatesh,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> this is a gentle reminder upon my request for some financial support
>> >>>> from the board for the publication of the academic papers of FOSS4G
>> >>>> 2016.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Any decision yet?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best regards - Franz-Josef
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Am 29.03.2017 um 22:36 schrieb Franz-Josef Behr:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dear Venkatesh,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> one of my unfulfiled duties is the publication of several papers
>> >>>>> submitted and accepted in the academic track of FOSS46 2016.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Eli suggests that some experienced people should do the copyediting
>> >>>>> and layout for these papers to publish a new issue of our OSGeo
>> >>>>> Journal. Till Adams recommended to contact the OSGeo board if this
>> >>>>> work could be financed out of the surplus of the conference held
>> >>>>> here in Germany.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Please let us know your opinion or suggestion.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards - Franz-Josef
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
>> >>>>> Betreff: Re: [Journal] Feedback: [FOSS4G Proceedings]
>> >>>>> Publication of papers of the FOSS4G 2016 Academic Trac
>> >>>>> Datum: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 08:13:40 -0800
>> >>>>> Von: Eli Adam <eadam at co.lincoln.or.us>
>> >>>>> Antwort an:
eadam at co.lincoln.or.us <mailto:eadam at co.lincoln.or.us>
>> >>>>> An: Franz-Josef Behr <franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de>
>> >>>>> Kopie (CC): Christian Willmes <c.willmes at uni-koeln.de>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Franz-Josef,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Editing isn't necessarily done in svn but the source files are put
>> >>>>> in svn. Using svn can be especially useful if it is a
>> >>>>> collaborative process between multiple people (someone else
>> >>>>> assembles and then I copy edit and then they produce output). I
>> >>>>> would consider svn a minor detail. Use of svn can also be helpful
>> >>>>> for coordinating correct volume number, etc. You can check previous
>> >>>>> work,
http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/journal/volume_14 <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/journal/volume_14>
or
>> >>>>>
http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/journal/volume_13 <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/browser/journal/volume_13>
etc.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> *I do suggest paying someone since I've not seen volunteers
>> >>>>> successfully completing professional level output in a timely
>> >>>>> manner for four or five years. It is a somewhat rare skill too.
>> >>>>> *Someone who can professionally assemble multiple articles into a
>> >>>>> journal volume. Barend and Gary are two that I know of but you
>> >>>>> could certainly find others. Please have whoever it is coordinate
>> >>>>> with the conference committee.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'm happy to help guide you (or someone you hire) through the
>> >>>>> process. Also happy to volunteer copy editing.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards, Eli
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2017, Franz-Josef Behr
>> >>>>> <franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de
>> >>>>> <mailto:franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dear Eli,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> thank you for your message and the offered support.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'd like to understand better the process. Is the editing done
>> >>>>> through SVN? Do you suggest to pay somebody (I could ask the
>> >>>>> German FOSSGIS) for the editing work?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards - Franz-Josef
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 17.02.2017 um 18:16 schrieb Eli Adam:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi Franz-Josef,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> To proceed, you need to find someone willing to guest edit an
>> >>>>> edition
>> >>>>> of the OSGeo Journal and assemble everything. Is there anyone
>> >>>>> from
>> >>>>> the LOC who might volunteer? Hiring someone (Barend or Gary
>> >>>>> Sherman
>> >>>>> are the first possibilities I can think of and I don't know if
>> >>>>> either
>> >>>>> are interested) might be a possibility too.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'll help with copy editing to check minor details are
>> >>>>> consistent
>> >>>>> (spelling, page numbers, etc). I can also help get people
>> >>>>> access to
>> >>>>> svn or add the material for them.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards, Eli
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Christian Willmes
>> >>>>> <c.willmes at uni-koeln.de> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I agreed to help in technical regards, with the OJS
>> >>>>> Journal system,
>> >>>>> uploading the Papers etc., but I won't help with the LaTeX
>> >>>>> editing, I am
>> >>>>> not good at this kind of work, checking on formalities
>> >>>>> etc...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best,
>> >>>>> Christian
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Am 16.02.2017 um 21:34 schrieb
>> >>>>>
franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de <mailto:franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de>:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Kategorie: FOSS4G Proceedings
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dear colleagues,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> as announced for the Academic Track of FOSS4G 2016,
>> >>>>> accepted papers
>> >>>>> papers
>> >>>>> should be published in the OSGeo Journal.
>> >>>>> How can we proceed? Christian Willmes is a little
>> >>>>> involved.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regards
>> >>>>> Franz-Josef
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sent from
http://www.osgeo.org/feedback/journal <http://www.osgeo.org/feedback/journal>
>> >>>>> <http://www.osgeo.org/feedback/journal> by Franz-Josef
>> >>>>> Behr.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Site Name:
OSGeo.org <http://OSGeo.org>
>> >>>>> Entered Name: Franz-Josef Behr
>> >>>>> E-Mail-Adresse:
franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de <mailto:franz-josef.behr at hft-stuttgart.de>
>> >>>>> Referring page:
http://www.osgeo.org/feedback/journal <http://www.osgeo.org/feedback/journal>
>> >>>>> <http://www.osgeo.org/feedback/journal>
>> >>>>> IP Address:
http://whois.domaintools.com/77.176.248.87 <http://whois.domaintools.com/77.176.248.87>
>> >>>>> <http://whois.domaintools.com/77.176.248.87>
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