[Board] Fwd: How to retire membership status?

Sat Dec 8 00:12:05 PST 2018

I agree with Maxi.

I think steps need to be taken to give Sara a patient
hearing and try to amicably address her concerns. Accepting her
request for retirement would come after that. Hopefully, if
her concerns are adequately addressed, she may
re-consider her request for retirement.

I suggest the board to appoint a sub-committee to find
out what prompted Sara has to take this decision of retire.
The committee should report back to the board about their findings
and advice the board about her request for retirement.

In any case, the  process and final decision also need to be made
public, I think.

Editing the wiki and listing her under retired members comes only after
a genuine effort to redress her grievance has been made.

Venka

On 12/8/2018 6:37 AM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
> Cameron I don't agree.
>
> Silently leaving a community for lack of time or personal changed interest
> or disagreement is not the same that leaving because threaten and not being
> protected from the community and publicly declare it.
>
> This call with no doubts or excuses to prompt action, full stop.
>
> Maxi
>
>
>
>
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> Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018, 21:26 Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
> ha scritto:
>
>> Sarah, thank you for sharing. I find it very sad when people leave a
>> community because of fractures within that community. I'm sorry to see you
>> leave. At some point I want to collate my thoughts related to community and
>> diversity in an essay. I'm struggling to prioritise enough time to do the
>> topic justice.
>>
>> Maxi, while Sarah has very kindly let us know that she is leaving our
>> community, and explained why, I strongly suspect many more people have
>> silently left. I feel the number of people emailing our discuss email list
>> has dropped, and I suspect that confrontational emails have contributed to
>> that. (I've deliberately limited the CC list to the osgeo board, in line
>> with Sarah's original email). Writing or improving a Code of Conduct is a
>> significant undertaking and can be emotionally draining, as there are often
>> very strong opinions needing to be considered, and there is a track record
>> of people involved being personally attacked. I'd suggest such an
>> undertaking is beyond the scope of being a volunteer board member, although
>> board members would be welcomed within a Code of Conduct committee. You
>> might also want to volunteer your time to contribute toward a Code of
>> Conduct committee?
>>
>> Maria, I applaud your commitment toward wanting to improve our Code of
>> Conduct. I was on the FOSS4G-Oceania committee and am happy to facilitate
>> insight into our initiatives into diversity if interested. Re your
>> statement "things are being done to PREVENT ..."  While I'd love to
>> "prevent" Code-Of-Conduct violations, I think the best we can do is
>> "reduce" and "mitigate the impacts". Us humans are beautifully complicated
>> and flawed and we don't always get things right.
>>
>> Steven Feldman summarised this well in a FOSS4G presentation on Diversity:
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1cMfFfrgpk1Yqw_P8NfldlG80tvzcnI0U13u81KR7sOU/edit
>>
>> Warm regards, Cameron
>> On 8/12/18 12:15 am, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>
>> Astrid,
>> I have never intended to insinuate that. I consider you an excellent
>> person, and please excuse me if this was your feeling.
>>
>> I just wanted to point out that this fact requires to be appropriately
>> addressed, and since a long time already passed without any feedback, I
>> have the impression that it could have just been let flown away...
>>
>> Looking forward for the board to promptly addresse the case and act.
>>
>> Maxi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018, 13:05 Astrid Emde (OSGeo) <astrid_emde at osgeo.org>
>> ha scritto:
>>
>>> Hi Maxi,
>>>
>>> my mail was only technical and I also noticed it when I wrote it that I
>>> did not say anything about the case.
>>>
>>> Sara wrote : "...so I'm revisiting this request: please change my
>>> Charter membership status to "retired".  ...  cc'd board at lists to help
>>> facilitate the request."
>>>
>>> And this was the only thing I focussed on with my answer. It was not my
>>> intention to be insensitive or ignorant.
>>>
>>> Sure we - board - still should discuss the case. It is topic for the
>>> next board meeting.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Astrid
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 07.12.2018 09:26 schrieb Massimiliano Cannata:
>>>> Dear Astrid,
>>>> I think that this request of withdraw together with the public accuses
>>>> it expresses cannot be simply resolved with a wiki page modification.
>>>>
>>>> This call the OSGeo code of conduct committee and the board in its
>>>> highest function of guarantor of the community to address the accuses
>>>> and take public position with an official communication.
>>>>
>>>> Whether the accuses are true or not I believe this situation is
>>>> negatively impacting our community brand and trust.
>>>>
>>>> This fact cannot pass over silence anymore and therefore I publicly
>>>> call the board to urgently express and take a position on this.
>>>>
>>>> Let's see if this mail worth a response...
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Maxi
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno ven 7 dic 2018, 07:56 Astrid Emde (OSGeo)
>>>> <astrid_emde at osgeo.org> ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Sara,
>>>>>
>>>>> thanls for your email and sorry, that it took a while to work on
>>>>> your
>>>>> request.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are now listed as retired OSGeo Charter Member at
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/ [1]
>>>>>
>>>>> I also edited your User page in the wiki and deleted Charter
>>>>> member:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Sarasafavi [2]
>>>>>
>>>>> If you would like to change more content on your charter member
>>>>> page you
>>>>> can do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best Astrid
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Astrid Emde
>>>>> OSGeo Board Member and OSGeo Secretary
>>>>> Open Source Geospatial Foundation
>>>>> https://www.osgeo.org/member/astrid-emde/ [3]
>>>>> astrid_emde at osgeo.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 04.12.2018 16:54 schrieb Sara:
>>>>>> Board elections have come & gone and so I'm revisiting this
>>>>> request:
>>>>>> please change my Charter membership status to "retired".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Astrid - I've been told you have the ability to modify any
>>>>> relevant
>>>>>> "master lists". If this isn't true please feel free to forward
>>>>> this to
>>>>>> the right person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vicky - similarly, I understand you have the ability to edit the
>>>>> web
>>>>>> content at www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/ [4] [1]. If
>>>>> that's not
>>>>>> correct either, please feel free to forward as needed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cc'd board at lists to help facilitate the request.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>> From: SARA <sara at sarasafavi.com>
>>>>>> Date: Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:00 PM
>>>>>> Subject: How to retire membership status?
>>>>>> To: OSGeo Discussions <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello community,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone point me at the relevant documentation re: retiring
>>>>>> current membership status? Specifically, related to Charter
>>>>>> membership.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand the processes to nominate & add new charter members
>>>>> but
>>>>>> not clear on how current charter members can retire.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To put it another way: how to edit
>>>>>> https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/ [1] [2]?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Sara Safavi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Links:
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> [1] http://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/ [4]
>>>>>> [2] https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/ [1]
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>> Links:
>>>> ------
>>>> [1] https://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/
>>>> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Sarasafavi
>>>> [3] https://www.osgeo.org/member/astrid-emde/
>>>> [4] http://www.osgeo.org/about/charter-members/
>>>> [5] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
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