[Board] separate discussion on the value of video archiving

Wed Jun 20 14:07:39 PDT 2018

Hello Jeff,

the idea of the video committtee was not to do only volunteer work, but 
to have experience to help the LOC that changes every year and does not 
know about TIB, schedule.json and so on and has to invent the wheel 
every year.

I would say it is not only taking money and the recording will happen. 
It needs also the information how to transfer to TIB, the contacts, 
which format and metadata to provide.... And then it is good to have 
some people at your side.

But maybe I am too optimistic. We will see.

First step is the chapter in the FOSS4G Cookbook which is a first draft 
and can be improved.

https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_Handbook#Streaming_and_archiving_presentations_and_keynotes

I would suggest we (Board & FOSS4G Committee) work on some chapters in 
the FOSS4G Cookbook like video/streaming, Travel Grant .. to write down 
that there is a budget from the FOSS4G money reserved for these topics 
for every conference. So we would not have to discuss this budget in the 
board every year again.

In my eyes the goal is not to make big profit from every FOSS4G. It is 
more making it a global, divers event that you can participate even from 
your sofa at home or month later. So +1 for video/streaming.

So please join the video committee ;)

Astrid

PS: And also I hope that for FOSS4G 2018 video & streaming will be 
possible. Would be great.

Am 20.06.2018 21:54 schrieb Jody Garnett:
> If you can gather a team OSGeo can help with funding, and budget can
> be amended as opportunities present themselves.
> 
> It is the gathering the team part that is important, a video committee
> sounds great :)
> 
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 8:55 AM Jeff McKenna
> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for kicking this into action Astrid. I also would like to
>> not
>> use the word 'volunteers' here, as the recording, processing, and
>> archiving is so important to each FOSS4G event now, that the OSGeo
>> Board
>> can contribute funds to help maintain this (just as the Board can
>> do for
>> an OSGeo website maintenance team). These are core activities and
>> funding can be set in place to help make this happen (whether now
>> or in
>> the the 2019 foundation budget - of course I already anticipate the
>> 
>> reaction email saying not in budget etc). Let's gather a team, try
>> to
>> get some funding, and make it happen. -jeff
>> 
>> On 2018-06-20 12:45 PM, Astrid Emde (OSGeo) wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> we talked about the big value of video streaming and archiving at
>> the
>>> video meeting in December
>>> 
>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-12-23 [1]
>>> 
>>> See
>>> 
>>> FOSS4G ($30k): Discussion of video requests from Michael Turner
>>> is this reasonable?
>>> can we take this responsibility from LOC? Like with travel
>> grants
>>> we could maintain knowlege/procedure across events...
>>> is this something the conference committee would be willing
>> to do?
>>> please add to "foss4g cookbook"
>>> astird: would like to see videos, livestream included - how
>> can we
>>> support?
>>> action: Astrid may look at setting up a technical team to be
>> 
>>> available to LOC
>>> support a technical committee to support video recording for
>> 
>>> Conference LOCs - Astrid POC
>>> discussion on supporting a long term active, michael is in
>> favour
>>> of OSGeo supporting this.
>>> 
>>> One of my todos was to work on a OSGeo video team.
>>> 
>>> The Wiki page is already there
>>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Video_Committee [2]
>>> 
>>> I am in contact with Vasile and would like to work on this for
>> FOSS4G
>>> 2019. I started discussing with Michael Terner and Guido Stein.
>>> 
>>> I also talked to TIB Bastian Drees, people from c3voc and Johan
>> (about
>>> the FOSDEM solution)
>>> 
>>> But due to other issues I did not promote all this in public yet.
>>> 
>>> I just created a todo-ticket:
>>> https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/osgeo/todo/issues/18 [3]
>>> 
>>> So everyone who would like to get involved is welcome. maybe we
>> can talk
>>> about it at the next conferences.
>>> 
>>> Astrid
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 20.06.2018 10:59 schrieb Peter Löwe:
>>>> Jody, all,
>>>> 
>>>> just a few thoughts about the potential of video archiving in
>> general
>>>> and what TIB Hannover (german national library for science &
>> tech,
>>>> strategic OSGeo partner for video archiving) can enable the
>> community
>>>> to achieve.
>>>> 
>>>> Over the last years, OSGeo hast established workflows to record
>> and
>>>> archive conference presentations. A few minor glitches (-> loss
>> of
>>>> some vids following FOSS4G Portland ) made clear that it makes
>> sense
>>>> to work with a partner who's professional about video archiving.
>>>> That's where TIB comes in. As a national infrastructure they
>> have a
>>>> clear mandate (and budget!) to collect geoinformatics-related
>> content,
>>>> currently in English and German.
>>>> 
>>>> I want to emphasize that TIB does much more in the background
>> than
>>>> just providing a long term dumping place for OSGeo-related
>> videos. For
>>>> starters, each video receives a Digital Object Identifier (DOI),
>> which
>>>> serves as an *unbreakbale* web link, which allows to link to and
>> cite
>>>> the video for many years to come (e.g.:
>>>> https://doi.org/10.5446/20420 [4]). This is very useful as it
>> allows 1.)
>>>> scientific citation: OSGeo videos can be cited by scientists
>> just like
>>>> they cite an article in a scientific journal (which is also done
>> by a
>>>> DOI) (just throw the DOI of a particular OSgeo video into the
>> Datacite
>>>> search engine and it will generate proper citations in a variety
>> of
>>>> established standards like Harvard, IEEE, BibTex, etc. eg:
>>>> https://search.datacite.org/works?query=10.5446%2F20420 [5] ),
>> 2.) the
>>>> capability to reference just sections from a lengthy video
>> (like, when
>>>> the presenting person says something important. eg:
>>>> https://doi.org/10.5446/20420#t=21:59,22:03 [6]). 3.) For the
>> OSGeo
>>>> members who work in science (or are still stundents), this
>> allows them
>>>> to receive scientific merit for presentations, since all
>>>> DOI-referenced material becomes part of the scientific track
>> record
>>>> (-> and can be linked to a particular person by an ORCID ID:
>>>> https://orcid.org/ [7] or DataCite (e.g.:
>>>> https://search.datacite.org/works?query=Jody+garnett) [8]).
>>>> 
>>>> So all this infrastructure is already in place and can be used
>> to
>>>> access, cite and reuse OSGeo-related video content.
>>>> 
>>>> FWIW, a next step for OSGeo could be to adopt DOI-links also to
>>>> reference software, both on the scale of OSGeo projects, but
>> also for
>>>> individual functionalities, like a particular module within
>> GRASS,
>>>> GIS, etc. This would allow to give scientific merit (by
>> citation) to
>>>> the code devlopers and maintainers. This will require a
>> different
>>>> discussion.
>>>> 
>>>> When a conference video is uploaded to TIB, it is not published
>> right
>>>> away: TIB applies voice-to-text conversion and OCR to
>> automatically
>>>> create a lot of additonal metadata (in additon to
>>>> publisher/conference, recording date, speaker, conference title,
>>>> presentation title, etc.). The potential value of this feature
>> remains
>>>> to be explored by OSGeo together with TIB.
>>>> 
>>>> What I noticed at FOSS4G conferences is, that speakers really
>> make an
>>>> effort to cram as much interesting, funny and visionary content
>> into
>>>> their presentations, which usually does not reflect the abstract
>>>> texts. Also, presentations touch on different levels of
>> technology or
>>>> different topics. It is not unusual to have a presentation which
>> talks
>>>> about advanced server sided OGC services, geological data
>> volumes and
>>>> an particular region of interest. With standard meta data it
>> would be
>>>> next to impossible search the trove of OSGeo videos for vague
>> queries
>>>> like "give me all videos which mention the geology of Berlin",
>> "give
>>>> me all videos which make references to the movie Wargames, Star
>> Trek
>>>> or Amy Winehouse songs" (all this can be found in the video
>> archives
>>>> !), etc. The advanced search capabilities by TIB will enable
>> just
>>>> that, but OSGeo needs to become an active sparring partner for
>> TIB to
>>>> push forward with these developing technologies and services. It
>> would
>>>> be interesting to consider a joint research programme / research
>>>> project with them, but I am not sure how to wing this. Ideas,
>> anyone ?
>>>> 
>>>> best,
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> 
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> Links:
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> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2017-12-23
> [2] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Video_Committee
> [3] https://git.osgeo.org/gitea/osgeo/todo/issues/18
> [4] https://doi.org/10.5446/20420
> [5] https://search.datacite.org/works?query=10.5446%2F20420
> [6] https://doi.org/10.5446/20420#t=21:59,22:03
> [7] https://orcid.org/
> [8] https://search.datacite.org/works?query=Jody+garnett)
> [9] https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
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