[Board] OGC update

Tue Aug 6 09:31:46 PDT 2019

If anyone is willing to speak on behalf of OGC we can add this
topic/discuss to the F2F meeting agenda:
https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-08-24

Indeed we can work on this even without an OGC representative, I will add
the topic for Sunday. Still the invitation is open if the OGC wishes to
attend or set up a meeting later during the week.
--
Jody Garnett

On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 09:14, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Bruce: thanks for the info. In principle I agree and thanks for your
> leadership and ideas. Suggest we can dive deeper around foss4g time in
> Bucharest?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 6, 2019, at 06:11, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Jody,
>
> (@Scott, I’d also appreciate your feedback on the issue and proposal
> below.)
>
>
>
> In addition to my 25 March response to your request to an update on the
> OSGeo / OGC relationship:
>
>
> I’ve been having a bit more of a think about this relationship.
>
> In my opinion our relationship with OGC is stagnant with little happening
> in a coordinated manner. Our current relationship is not in the best
> interests of either OSGeo, or the OGC.
>
> We have six OSGeo members filling Osgeo Individual OGC Membership roles,
> with the occasional report back to the Standards list. I'm starting to be a
> bit more proactive in insisting on these reports at membership renewal time.
>
> We also have a few pockets of activity where OSGeo Members are working
> closely within OGC committees and teams to contribute to standards work. I
> see that a good example of this is Tom Kraldis’ efforts. I’ll let Tom speak
> to this work.
>
> =====
>
> I think that we need to go back and reboot the OSGeo/OGC relationship,
> commencing with some requirements analysis via the OSGeo Standards list.
> We need to geet a much better understanding of what our community and OGC
> would like from our relationship.
>
> I’d like to see us initiate a much more focussed relationship with OGC
> that will allow us (as an OSGeo Community) more effectively help drive OGC
> Standards change that appears to be occurring post the OGC/W3C work on
> Spatial Data on the Web. There is considerable potential for open source
> solutions to lead the way for many standards.
>
> The results of the requirements analysis **may** require us to renegotiate
> our OSGeo/OGC MOU to:
>
> - include OGC Technical Committee Membership for OSGeo to help us be more
> effective in our standards collaboration;
>
> - find a mechanism for open source solutions to obtain and maintain OGC
> Certification without our communities having to struggle to find scarce
> funds to do so; and
>
> - address other issues that may become apparent after the requirements
> analysis process, e.g. finding a more effective solution for a CITE
> Community.
>
>
>
> I’m prepared to initiate and to lead this OSGeo/OGC reboot effort.
>
>
>
> However I would like an indication from the OSGeo Board that:
>
> - you are happy for this effort to proceed and will launch the process
> when we’re ready to start;
>
> - you are happy to look at the renegotiation of the OSGeo/OGC MOU if
> required;
>
> - you are happy for me to lead the effort; and
>
> - for you to define any specific parameters that you’d like the reboot
> effort to work within.
>
>
> Once we have this sorted out, I’ll start work on the preparation.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
> On 26 Mar 2019, at 10:02, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bruce. I will reach out to CITE.
>
> Having said this, OGC is setting up hackathons later this year with focus
> on the evolving standards (read OpenAPI) so we can put efforts toward OSGeo
> participation. More to come.
>
> ..Tom
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 25, 2019, at 18:41, Bruce Bannerman <
> bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From memory, OGC tried running CITE through the OSGeo Incubation process
> several years ago.
>
> I suspect that there were unrealistic expectations that this would result
> in people taking responsibility for the software project on behalf of OGC.
>
> They then took CITE to another open source incubator.
>
> By all means, invite the CITE team to participate. It will be beneficial
> for all.
>
> Bruce
>
> On 26 Mar 2019, at 08:38, Bob Basques <bbasques at sharedgeo.org> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Wouldn't/couldn't this amount to just inviting the CITE team?  Or is it
> more than that?
>
> bobb
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 4:52 PM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am sure it can, perhaps we can chat in next months OSGeo meeting?
>>
>> There is an upcoming OSGeo code sprint in May and it would be nice if
>> CITE Team engine could attend.
>>
>> Enjoy the outback!
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 14:46, Bruce Bannerman <
>> bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tom, Jody,
>>>
>>> I’m currently travelling in Outback Australia with very limited Internet
>>> access.
>>>
>>> Can this wait for two weeks, until I’m back.
>>>
>>> The bottom line is that we can do a lot to improve our OGC/OSGeo
>>> relationship. However this will take a dedicated effort at community
>>> building. I’ve just started this process.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Bruce
>>>
>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 04:50, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have updated the OGC partnership page
>>> <https://www.osgeo.org/partners/ogc/>:
>>>
>>> - Bruce was is your OSGeo ID?
>>> - Vicky I could not figure out how to add more than one OSGeo contact
>>> point, is this something we can change?
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 10:05, Tom Kralidis <tom.kralidis at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Bruce and Jeff: at our OSGeo Board meeting today [1] our
>>>> partnership with OGC came
>>>> up in a few areas:
>>>>
>>>> - invite CITE project to OSGeo Code Sprint
>>>> - provide an overall update on OSGeo/OGC to the Board
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible for one or both of you to provide an update to the Board?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> ..Tom
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-03-25
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