[Board] OGC update

Tom Kralidis tomkralidis at gmail.com
Tue Aug 6 09:14:14 PDT 2019


 Bruce: thanks for the info. In principle I agree and thanks for your leadership and ideas. Suggest we can dive deeper around foss4g time in Bucharest?

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> On Aug 6, 2019, at 06:11, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jody,
> 
> (@Scott, I’d also appreciate your feedback on the issue and proposal below.)
> 
> 
> 
> In addition to my 25 March response to your request to an update on the OSGeo / OGC relationship:
> 
> 
> I’ve been having a bit more of a think about this relationship.
> 
> In my opinion our relationship with OGC is stagnant with little happening in a coordinated manner. Our current relationship is not in the best interests of either OSGeo, or the OGC.
> 
> We have six OSGeo members filling Osgeo Individual OGC Membership roles, with the occasional report back to the Standards list. I'm starting to be a bit more proactive in insisting on these reports at membership renewal time.
> 
> We also have a few pockets of activity where OSGeo Members are working closely within OGC committees and teams to contribute to standards work. I see that a good example of this is Tom Kraldis’ efforts. I’ll let Tom speak to this work.
> 
> =====
> 
> I think that we need to go back and reboot the OSGeo/OGC relationship, commencing with some requirements analysis via the OSGeo Standards list.  We need to geet a much better understanding of what our community and OGC would like from our relationship.
> 
> I’d like to see us initiate a much more focussed relationship with OGC that will allow us (as an OSGeo Community) more effectively help drive OGC Standards change that appears to be occurring post the OGC/W3C work on Spatial Data on the Web. There is considerable potential for open source solutions to lead the way for many standards.
> 
> The results of the requirements analysis **may** require us to renegotiate our OSGeo/OGC MOU to: 
> 
> - include OGC Technical Committee Membership for OSGeo to help us be more effective in our standards collaboration;
> 
> - find a mechanism for open source solutions to obtain and maintain OGC Certification without our communities having to struggle to find scarce funds to do so; and
> 
> - address other issues that may become apparent after the requirements analysis process, e.g. finding a more effective solution for a CITE Community.
> 
> 
> 
> I’m prepared to initiate and to lead this OSGeo/OGC reboot effort.
> 
> 
> 
> However I would like an indication from the OSGeo Board that:
> 
> - you are happy for this effort to proceed and will launch the process when we’re ready to start;
> 
> - you are happy to look at the renegotiation of the OSGeo/OGC MOU if required;
> 
> - you are happy for me to lead the effort; and
> 
> - for you to define any specific parameters that you’d like the reboot effort to work within.
> 
> 
> Once we have this sorted out, I’ll start work on the preparation.
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Bruce
> 
> 
> 
>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 10:02, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Bruce. I will reach out to CITE. 
>> 
>> Having said this, OGC is setting up hackathons later this year with focus on the evolving standards (read OpenAPI) so we can put efforts toward OSGeo participation. More to come. 
>> 
>> ..Tom
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 18:41, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> From memory, OGC tried running CITE through the OSGeo Incubation process several years ago.
>>> 
>>> I suspect that there were unrealistic expectations that this would result in people taking responsibility for the software project on behalf of OGC.
>>> 
>>> They then took CITE to another open source incubator.
>>> 
>>> By all means, invite the CITE team to participate. It will be beneficial for all.
>>> 
>>> Bruce
>>> 
>>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 08:38, Bob Basques <bbasques at sharedgeo.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> Wouldn't/couldn't this amount to just inviting the CITE team?  Or is it more than that?
>>>> 
>>>> bobb
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 4:52 PM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I am sure it can, perhaps we can chat in next months OSGeo meeting?
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is an upcoming OSGeo code sprint in May and it would be nice if CITE Team engine could attend.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Enjoy the outback!
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 14:46, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Tom, Jody,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m currently travelling in Outback Australia with very limited Internet access.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can this wait for two weeks, until I’m back.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The bottom line is that we can do a lot to improve our OGC/OSGeo relationship. However this will take a dedicated effort at community building. I’ve just started this process.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 04:50, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have updated the OGC partnership page:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - Bruce was is your OSGeo ID?
>>>>>>> - Vicky I could not figure out how to add more than one OSGeo contact point, is this something we can change?
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 10:05, Tom Kralidis <tom.kralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Bruce and Jeff: at our OSGeo Board meeting today [1] our
>>>>>>>> partnership with OGC came
>>>>>>>> up in a few areas:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - invite CITE project to OSGeo Code Sprint
>>>>>>>> - provide an overall update on OSGeo/OGC to the Board
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is it possible for one or both of you to provide an update to the Board?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ..Tom
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-03-25
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