[Board] OGC update

Tom Kralidis tomkralidis at gmail.com
Sat Aug 24 10:22:06 PDT 2019 

Time Works for us. I will send you the web conf details tomorrow. 

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> On Aug 24, 2019, at 17:54, Scott Simmons <ssimmons at ogc.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I am not in Bucharest and am 9 hours behind you. I could dial in early my morning, but am not sure how long you plan to meet on Sunday. Is 0700 Mountain / 1600 Bucharest too late for you?
> 
> Best Regards,
> Scott
> 
>> On Aug 24, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott: we are planning to discuss OGC relationship tomorrow
>> (Sunday).  Are you in Bucharest?
>> If not, do you have any availability tomorrow to dial in (on Bucharest time)?
>> 
>> Once we have a better idea of your availability we'll setup a web conf.
>> 
>> ..Tom
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:04 AM Scott Simmons <ssimmons at ogc.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jody,
>>> 
>>> I will see if we can support on Sunday either in person or remotely. Will you have a web conference setup for the meeting?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If anyone is willing to speak on behalf of OGC we can add this topic/discuss to the F2F meeting agenda: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-08-24
>>> 
>>> Indeed we can work on this even without an OGC representative, I will add the topic for Sunday. Still the invitation is open if the OGC wishes to attend or set up a meeting later during the week.
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 09:14, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Bruce: thanks for the info. In principle I agree and thanks for your leadership and ideas. Suggest we can dive deeper around foss4g time in Bucharest?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 6, 2019, at 06:11, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Jody,
>>>> 
>>>> (@Scott, I’d also appreciate your feedback on the issue and proposal below.)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> In addition to my 25 March response to your request to an update on the OSGeo / OGC relationship:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been having a bit more of a think about this relationship.
>>>> 
>>>> In my opinion our relationship with OGC is stagnant with little happening in a coordinated manner. Our current relationship is not in the best interests of either OSGeo, or the OGC.
>>>> 
>>>> We have six OSGeo members filling Osgeo Individual OGC Membership roles, with the occasional report back to the Standards list. I'm starting to be a bit more proactive in insisting on these reports at membership renewal time.
>>>> 
>>>> We also have a few pockets of activity where OSGeo Members are working closely within OGC committees and teams to contribute to standards work. I see that a good example of this is Tom Kraldis’ efforts. I’ll let Tom speak to this work.
>>>> 
>>>> =====
>>>> 
>>>> I think that we need to go back and reboot the OSGeo/OGC relationship, commencing with some requirements analysis via the OSGeo Standards list.  We need to geet a much better understanding of what our community and OGC would like from our relationship.
>>>> 
>>>> I’d like to see us initiate a much more focussed relationship with OGC that will allow us (as an OSGeo Community) more effectively help drive OGC Standards change that appears to be occurring post the OGC/W3C work on Spatial Data on the Web. There is considerable potential for open source solutions to lead the way for many standards.
>>>> 
>>>> The results of the requirements analysis **may** require us to renegotiate our OSGeo/OGC MOU to:
>>>> 
>>>> - include OGC Technical Committee Membership for OSGeo to help us be more effective in our standards collaboration;
>>>> 
>>>> - find a mechanism for open source solutions to obtain and maintain OGC Certification without our communities having to struggle to find scarce funds to do so; and
>>>> 
>>>> - address other issues that may become apparent after the requirements analysis process, e.g. finding a more effective solution for a CITE Community.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I’m prepared to initiate and to lead this OSGeo/OGC reboot effort.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> However I would like an indication from the OSGeo Board that:
>>>> 
>>>> - you are happy for this effort to proceed and will launch the process when we’re ready to start;
>>>> 
>>>> - you are happy to look at the renegotiation of the OSGeo/OGC MOU if required;
>>>> 
>>>> - you are happy for me to lead the effort; and
>>>> 
>>>> - for you to define any specific parameters that you’d like the reboot effort to work within.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Once we have this sorted out, I’ll start work on the preparation.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Bruce
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 10:02, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Bruce. I will reach out to CITE.
>>>> 
>>>> Having said this, OGC is setting up hackathons later this year with focus on the evolving standards (read OpenAPI) so we can put efforts toward OSGeo participation. More to come.
>>>> 
>>>> ..Tom
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 18:41, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From memory, OGC tried running CITE through the OSGeo Incubation process several years ago.
>>>> 
>>>> I suspect that there were unrealistic expectations that this would result in people taking responsibility for the software project on behalf of OGC.
>>>> 
>>>> They then took CITE to another open source incubator.
>>>> 
>>>> By all means, invite the CITE team to participate. It will be beneficial for all.
>>>> 
>>>> Bruce
>>>> 
>>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 08:38, Bob Basques <bbasques at sharedgeo.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All,
>>>> 
>>>> Wouldn't/couldn't this amount to just inviting the CITE team?  Or is it more than that?
>>>> 
>>>> bobb
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 4:52 PM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sure it can, perhaps we can chat in next months OSGeo meeting?
>>>>> 
>>>>> There is an upcoming OSGeo code sprint in May and it would be nice if CITE Team engine could attend.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Enjoy the outback!
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 14:46, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Tom, Jody,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’m currently travelling in Outback Australia with very limited Internet access.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Can this wait for two weeks, until I’m back.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The bottom line is that we can do a lot to improve our OGC/OSGeo relationship. However this will take a dedicated effort at community building. I’ve just started this process.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 04:50, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have updated the OGC partnership page:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Bruce was is your OSGeo ID?
>>>>>> - Vicky I could not figure out how to add more than one OSGeo contact point, is this something we can change?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 10:05, Tom Kralidis <tom.kralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Bruce and Jeff: at our OSGeo Board meeting today [1] our
>>>>>>> partnership with OGC came
>>>>>>> up in a few areas:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - invite CITE project to OSGeo Code Sprint
>>>>>>> - provide an overall update on OSGeo/OGC to the Board
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is it possible for one or both of you to provide an update to the Board?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ..Tom
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-03-25
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