[Board] OGC update

Sun Aug 25 00:47:18 PDT 2019

Hi Scott and Athina,

We usually use this for our meetings:
https://meet.jit.si/osgeo

Regards,
Angelos

On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 8:22 PM Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Time Works for us. I will send you the web conf details tomorrow.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 24, 2019, at 17:54, Scott Simmons <ssimmons at ogc.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I am not in Bucharest and am 9 hours behind you. I could dial in early
> my morning, but am not sure how long you plan to meet on Sunday. Is 0700
> Mountain / 1600 Bucharest too late for you?
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Scott
> >
> >> On Aug 24, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Scott: we are planning to discuss OGC relationship tomorrow
> >> (Sunday).  Are you in Bucharest?
> >> If not, do you have any availability tomorrow to dial in (on Bucharest
> time)?
> >>
> >> Once we have a better idea of your availability we'll setup a web conf.
> >>
> >> ..Tom
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:04 AM Scott Simmons <ssimmons at ogc.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Jody,
> >>>
> >>> I will see if we can support on Sunday either in person or remotely.
> Will you have a web conference setup for the meeting?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Scott
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 6, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If anyone is willing to speak on behalf of OGC we can add this
> topic/discuss to the F2F meeting agenda:
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-08-24
> >>>
> >>> Indeed we can work on this even without an OGC representative, I will
> add the topic for Sunday. Still the invitation is open if the OGC wishes to
> attend or set up a meeting later during the week.
> >>> --
> >>> Jody Garnett
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 09:14, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Bruce: thanks for the info. In principle I agree and thanks for your
> leadership and ideas. Suggest we can dive deeper around foss4g time in
> Bucharest?
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Aug 6, 2019, at 06:11, Bruce Bannerman <
> bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Jody,
> >>>>
> >>>> (@Scott, I’d also appreciate your feedback on the issue and proposal
> below.)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In addition to my 25 March response to your request to an update on
> the OSGeo / OGC relationship:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I’ve been having a bit more of a think about this relationship.
> >>>>
> >>>> In my opinion our relationship with OGC is stagnant with little
> happening in a coordinated manner. Our current relationship is not in the
> best interests of either OSGeo, or the OGC.
> >>>>
> >>>> We have six OSGeo members filling Osgeo Individual OGC Membership
> roles, with the occasional report back to the Standards list. I'm starting
> to be a bit more proactive in insisting on these reports at membership
> renewal time.
> >>>>
> >>>> We also have a few pockets of activity where OSGeo Members are
> working closely within OGC committees and teams to contribute to standards
> work. I see that a good example of this is Tom Kraldis’ efforts. I’ll let
> Tom speak to this work.
> >>>>
> >>>> =====
> >>>>
> >>>> I think that we need to go back and reboot the OSGeo/OGC
> relationship, commencing with some requirements analysis via the OSGeo
> Standards list.  We need to geet a much better understanding of what our
> community and OGC would like from our relationship.
> >>>>
> >>>> I’d like to see us initiate a much more focussed relationship with
> OGC that will allow us (as an OSGeo Community) more effectively help drive
> OGC Standards change that appears to be occurring post the OGC/W3C work on
> Spatial Data on the Web. There is considerable potential for open source
> solutions to lead the way for many standards.
> >>>>
> >>>> The results of the requirements analysis **may** require us to
> renegotiate our OSGeo/OGC MOU to:
> >>>>
> >>>> - include OGC Technical Committee Membership for OSGeo to help us be
> more effective in our standards collaboration;
> >>>>
> >>>> - find a mechanism for open source solutions to obtain and maintain
> OGC Certification without our communities having to struggle to find scarce
> funds to do so; and
> >>>>
> >>>> - address other issues that may become apparent after the
> requirements analysis process, e.g. finding a more effective solution for a
> CITE Community.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I’m prepared to initiate and to lead this OSGeo/OGC reboot effort.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> However I would like an indication from the OSGeo Board that:
> >>>>
> >>>> - you are happy for this effort to proceed and will launch the
> process when we’re ready to start;
> >>>>
> >>>> - you are happy to look at the renegotiation of the OSGeo/OGC MOU if
> required;
> >>>>
> >>>> - you are happy for me to lead the effort; and
> >>>>
> >>>> - for you to define any specific parameters that you’d like the
> reboot effort to work within.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Once we have this sorted out, I’ll start work on the preparation.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> Bruce
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 10:02, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks Bruce. I will reach out to CITE.
> >>>>
> >>>> Having said this, OGC is setting up hackathons later this year with
> focus on the evolving standards (read OpenAPI) so we can put efforts toward
> OSGeo participation. More to come.
> >>>>
> >>>> ..Tom
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 18:41, Bruce Bannerman <
> bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> From memory, OGC tried running CITE through the OSGeo Incubation
> process several years ago.
> >>>>
> >>>> I suspect that there were unrealistic expectations that this would
> result in people taking responsibility for the software project on behalf
> of OGC.
> >>>>
> >>>> They then took CITE to another open source incubator.
> >>>>
> >>>> By all means, invite the CITE team to participate. It will be
> beneficial for all.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bruce
> >>>>
> >>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 08:38, Bob Basques <bbasques at sharedgeo.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Wouldn't/couldn't this amount to just inviting the CITE team?  Or is
> it more than that?
> >>>>
> >>>> bobb
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 4:52 PM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am sure it can, perhaps we can chat in next months OSGeo meeting?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is an upcoming OSGeo code sprint in May and it would be nice
> if CITE Team engine could attend.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Enjoy the outback!
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Jody Garnett
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 14:46, Bruce Bannerman <
> bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Tom, Jody,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I’m currently travelling in Outback Australia with very limited
> Internet access.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Can this wait for two weeks, until I’m back.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The bottom line is that we can do a lot to improve our OGC/OSGeo
> relationship. However this will take a dedicated effort at community
> building. I’ve just started this process.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bruce
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 04:50, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have updated the OGC partnership page:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Bruce was is your OSGeo ID?
> >>>>>> - Vicky I could not figure out how to add more than one OSGeo
> contact point, is this something we can change?
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Jody Garnett
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 10:05, Tom Kralidis <tom.kralidis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Bruce and Jeff: at our OSGeo Board meeting today [1] our
> >>>>>>> partnership with OGC came
> >>>>>>> up in a few areas:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> - invite CITE project to OSGeo Code Sprint
> >>>>>>> - provide an overall update on OSGeo/OGC to the Board
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is it possible for one or both of you to provide an update to the
> Board?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ..Tom
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-03-25
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-- 
Angelos Tzotsos, PhD
OSGeo Charter Member
http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos
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