[Board] OGC update

Sun Aug 25 01:34:16 PDT 2019

Thanks all.  So we will discuss OGC/OSGeo as per [1] on
https://meet.jit.si/osgeo

[1] https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2019&month=8&day=25&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=49&p2=75

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 3:47 AM Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Scott and Athina,
>
> We usually use this for our meetings:
> https://meet.jit.si/osgeo
>
> Regards,
> Angelos
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 8:22 PM Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Time Works for us. I will send you the web conf details tomorrow.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 24, 2019, at 17:54, Scott Simmons <ssimmons at ogc.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Tom,
>> >
>> > I am not in Bucharest and am 9 hours behind you. I could dial in early my morning, but am not sure how long you plan to meet on Sunday. Is 0700 Mountain / 1600 Bucharest too late for you?
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> > Scott
>> >
>> >> On Aug 24, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Scott: we are planning to discuss OGC relationship tomorrow
>> >> (Sunday).  Are you in Bucharest?
>> >> If not, do you have any availability tomorrow to dial in (on Bucharest time)?
>> >>
>> >> Once we have a better idea of your availability we'll setup a web conf.
>> >>
>> >> ..Tom
>> >>
>> >>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:04 AM Scott Simmons <ssimmons at ogc.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Jody,
>> >>>
>> >>> I will see if we can support on Sunday either in person or remotely. Will you have a web conference setup for the meeting?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> Scott
>> >>>
>> >>> On Aug 6, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> If anyone is willing to speak on behalf of OGC we can add this topic/discuss to the F2F meeting agenda: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-08-24
>> >>>
>> >>> Indeed we can work on this even without an OGC representative, I will add the topic for Sunday. Still the invitation is open if the OGC wishes to attend or set up a meeting later during the week.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Jody Garnett
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 09:14, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bruce: thanks for the info. In principle I agree and thanks for your leadership and ideas. Suggest we can dive deeper around foss4g time in Bucharest?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Aug 6, 2019, at 06:11, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Jody,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> (@Scott, I’d also appreciate your feedback on the issue and proposal below.)
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In addition to my 25 March response to your request to an update on the OSGeo / OGC relationship:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I’ve been having a bit more of a think about this relationship.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In my opinion our relationship with OGC is stagnant with little happening in a coordinated manner. Our current relationship is not in the best interests of either OSGeo, or the OGC.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We have six OSGeo members filling Osgeo Individual OGC Membership roles, with the occasional report back to the Standards list. I'm starting to be a bit more proactive in insisting on these reports at membership renewal time.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We also have a few pockets of activity where OSGeo Members are working closely within OGC committees and teams to contribute to standards work. I see that a good example of this is Tom Kraldis’ efforts. I’ll let Tom speak to this work.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> =====
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think that we need to go back and reboot the OSGeo/OGC relationship, commencing with some requirements analysis via the OSGeo Standards list.  We need to geet a much better understanding of what our community and OGC would like from our relationship.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I’d like to see us initiate a much more focussed relationship with OGC that will allow us (as an OSGeo Community) more effectively help drive OGC Standards change that appears to be occurring post the OGC/W3C work on Spatial Data on the Web. There is considerable potential for open source solutions to lead the way for many standards.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The results of the requirements analysis **may** require us to renegotiate our OSGeo/OGC MOU to:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - include OGC Technical Committee Membership for OSGeo to help us be more effective in our standards collaboration;
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - find a mechanism for open source solutions to obtain and maintain OGC Certification without our communities having to struggle to find scarce funds to do so; and
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - address other issues that may become apparent after the requirements analysis process, e.g. finding a more effective solution for a CITE Community.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I’m prepared to initiate and to lead this OSGeo/OGC reboot effort.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> However I would like an indication from the OSGeo Board that:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - you are happy for this effort to proceed and will launch the process when we’re ready to start;
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - you are happy to look at the renegotiation of the OSGeo/OGC MOU if required;
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - you are happy for me to lead the effort; and
>> >>>>
>> >>>> - for you to define any specific parameters that you’d like the reboot effort to work within.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Once we have this sorted out, I’ll start work on the preparation.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Kind regards,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bruce
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 10:02, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks Bruce. I will reach out to CITE.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Having said this, OGC is setting up hackathons later this year with focus on the evolving standards (read OpenAPI) so we can put efforts toward OSGeo participation. More to come.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ..Tom
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 18:41, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From memory, OGC tried running CITE through the OSGeo Incubation process several years ago.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I suspect that there were unrealistic expectations that this would result in people taking responsibility for the software project on behalf of OGC.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> They then took CITE to another open source incubator.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> By all means, invite the CITE team to participate. It will be beneficial for all.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bruce
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 08:38, Bob Basques <bbasques at sharedgeo.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> All,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Wouldn't/couldn't this amount to just inviting the CITE team?  Or is it more than that?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> bobb
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 4:52 PM Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I am sure it can, perhaps we can chat in next months OSGeo meeting?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> There is an upcoming OSGeo code sprint in May and it would be nice if CITE Team engine could attend.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Enjoy the outback!
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Jody Garnett
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 14:46, Bruce Bannerman <bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi Tom, Jody,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I’m currently travelling in Outback Australia with very limited Internet access.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Can this wait for two weeks, until I’m back.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The bottom line is that we can do a lot to improve our OGC/OSGeo relationship. However this will take a dedicated effort at community building. I’ve just started this process.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Kind regards,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Bruce
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 04:50, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I have updated the OGC partnership page:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> - Bruce was is your OSGeo ID?
>> >>>>>> - Vicky I could not figure out how to add more than one OSGeo contact point, is this something we can change?
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Jody Garnett
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 10:05, Tom Kralidis <tom.kralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hi Bruce and Jeff: at our OSGeo Board meeting today [1] our
>> >>>>>>> partnership with OGC came
>> >>>>>>> up in a few areas:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> - invite CITE project to OSGeo Code Sprint
>> >>>>>>> - provide an overall update on OSGeo/OGC to the Board
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Is it possible for one or both of you to provide an update to the Board?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thanks
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ..Tom
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-03-25
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