[Board] OGC update

Fri Aug 30 08:26:05 PDT 2019

Thank you for joining our meeting, there are some great opportunities to
inspire our community.
--
Jody Garnett

On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 11:34, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks all.  So we will discuss OGC/OSGeo as per [1] on
> https://meet.jit.si/osgeo
>
> [1]
> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2019&month=8&day=25&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=49&p2=75
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 3:47 AM Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Scott and Athina,
> >
> > We usually use this for our meetings:
> > https://meet.jit.si/osgeo
> >
> > Regards,
> > Angelos
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 8:22 PM Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Time Works for us. I will send you the web conf details tomorrow.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Aug 24, 2019, at 17:54, Scott Simmons <ssimmons at ogc.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Tom,
> >> >
> >> > I am not in Bucharest and am 9 hours behind you. I could dial in
> early my morning, but am not sure how long you plan to meet on Sunday. Is
> 0700 Mountain / 1600 Bucharest too late for you?
> >> >
> >> > Best Regards,
> >> > Scott
> >> >
> >> >> On Aug 24, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Scott: we are planning to discuss OGC relationship tomorrow
> >> >> (Sunday).  Are you in Bucharest?
> >> >> If not, do you have any availability tomorrow to dial in (on
> Bucharest time)?
> >> >>
> >> >> Once we have a better idea of your availability we'll setup a web
> conf.
> >> >>
> >> >> ..Tom
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 12:04 AM Scott Simmons <ssimmons at ogc.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Jody,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I will see if we can support on Sunday either in person or
> remotely. Will you have a web conference setup for the meeting?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks,
> >> >>> Scott
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Aug 6, 2019, at 10:31 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> If anyone is willing to speak on behalf of OGC we can add this
> topic/discuss to the F2F meeting agenda:
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-08-24
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Indeed we can work on this even without an OGC representative, I
> will add the topic for Sunday. Still the invitation is open if the OGC
> wishes to attend or set up a meeting later during the week.
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Jody Garnett
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 at 09:14, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Bruce: thanks for the info. In principle I agree and thanks for
> your leadership and ideas. Suggest we can dive deeper around foss4g time in
> Bucharest?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Aug 6, 2019, at 06:11, Bruce Bannerman <
> bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hi Jody,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> (@Scott, I’d also appreciate your feedback on the issue and
> proposal below.)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> In addition to my 25 March response to your request to an update
> on the OSGeo / OGC relationship:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I’ve been having a bit more of a think about this relationship.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> In my opinion our relationship with OGC is stagnant with little
> happening in a coordinated manner. Our current relationship is not in the
> best interests of either OSGeo, or the OGC.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> We have six OSGeo members filling Osgeo Individual OGC Membership
> roles, with the occasional report back to the Standards list. I'm starting
> to be a bit more proactive in insisting on these reports at membership
> renewal time.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> We also have a few pockets of activity where OSGeo Members are
> working closely within OGC committees and teams to contribute to standards
> work. I see that a good example of this is Tom Kraldis’ efforts. I’ll let
> Tom speak to this work.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> =====
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I think that we need to go back and reboot the OSGeo/OGC
> relationship, commencing with some requirements analysis via the OSGeo
> Standards list.  We need to geet a much better understanding of what our
> community and OGC would like from our relationship.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I’d like to see us initiate a much more focussed relationship with
> OGC that will allow us (as an OSGeo Community) more effectively help drive
> OGC Standards change that appears to be occurring post the OGC/W3C work on
> Spatial Data on the Web. There is considerable potential for open source
> solutions to lead the way for many standards.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> The results of the requirements analysis **may** require us to
> renegotiate our OSGeo/OGC MOU to:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> - include OGC Technical Committee Membership for OSGeo to help us
> be more effective in our standards collaboration;
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> - find a mechanism for open source solutions to obtain and
> maintain OGC Certification without our communities having to struggle to
> find scarce funds to do so; and
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> - address other issues that may become apparent after the
> requirements analysis process, e.g. finding a more effective solution for a
> CITE Community.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I’m prepared to initiate and to lead this OSGeo/OGC reboot effort.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> However I would like an indication from the OSGeo Board that:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> - you are happy for this effort to proceed and will launch the
> process when we’re ready to start;
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> - you are happy to look at the renegotiation of the OSGeo/OGC MOU
> if required;
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> - you are happy for me to lead the effort; and
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> - for you to define any specific parameters that you’d like the
> reboot effort to work within.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Once we have this sorted out, I’ll start work on the preparation.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Kind regards,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Bruce
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 10:02, Tom Kralidis <tomkralidis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks Bruce. I will reach out to CITE.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Having said this, OGC is setting up hackathons later this year
> with focus on the evolving standards (read OpenAPI) so we can put efforts
> toward OSGeo participation. More to come.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> ..Tom
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Mar 25, 2019, at 18:41, Bruce Bannerman <
> bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> From memory, OGC tried running CITE through the OSGeo Incubation
> process several years ago.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I suspect that there were unrealistic expectations that this would
> result in people taking responsibility for the software project on behalf
> of OGC.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> They then took CITE to another open source incubator.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> By all means, invite the CITE team to participate. It will be
> beneficial for all.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Bruce
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 08:38, Bob Basques <bbasques at sharedgeo.org>
> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> All,
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Wouldn't/couldn't this amount to just inviting the CITE team?  Or
> is it more than that?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> bobb
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 4:52 PM Jody Garnett <
> jody.garnett at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I am sure it can, perhaps we can chat in next months OSGeo
> meeting?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> There is an upcoming OSGeo code sprint in May and it would be
> nice if CITE Team engine could attend.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Enjoy the outback!
> >> >>>>> --
> >> >>>>> Jody Garnett
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 14:46, Bruce Bannerman <
> bruce.bannerman.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Hi Tom, Jody,
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I’m currently travelling in Outback Australia with very limited
> Internet access.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Can this wait for two weeks, until I’m back.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> The bottom line is that we can do a lot to improve our OGC/OSGeo
> relationship. However this will take a dedicated effort at community
> building. I’ve just started this process.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Kind regards,
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Bruce
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> On 26 Mar 2019, at 04:50, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I have updated the OGC partnership page:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> - Bruce was is your OSGeo ID?
> >> >>>>>> - Vicky I could not figure out how to add more than one OSGeo
> contact point, is this something we can change?
> >> >>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>> Jody Garnett
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2019 at 10:05, Tom Kralidis <
> tom.kralidis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Hi Bruce and Jeff: at our OSGeo Board meeting today [1] our
> >> >>>>>>> partnership with OGC came
> >> >>>>>>> up in a few areas:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> - invite CITE project to OSGeo Code Sprint
> >> >>>>>>> - provide an overall update on OSGeo/OGC to the Board
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Is it possible for one or both of you to provide an update to
> the Board?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Thanks
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> ..Tom
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-03-25
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> > --
> > Angelos Tzotsos, PhD
> > OSGeo Charter Member
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