[Board] [OSGeo-Standards] glossary discussion on osgeo-standards ....

Cameron Shorter cameron.shorter at gmail.com
Mon Nov 4 12:24:54 PST 2019


Thanks for the research Helena,

It sounds like an OSGeo Special Interest Group will address our Lexicon 
Committee requirements. Unless there are any objections, I propose to 
push forward with our agenda of setting up an email list, building a 
committee, selecting a chair, and getting some work done.

If you have any objections, please respond ASAP, ideally within the next 
48 hours.

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Further to Helena's research:

* Yes, I'd suggest special interest groups should be listed on the website.

* I found this page: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Interest_Groups which 
I'd suggest should be made official by the board. It currently states: 
"This page documents the current dicsussion and has not yet been 
approved as official OSGeo policy!"

* The OSGeo Standards Committee should get a page somewhere. I'm pretty 
sure it had one before, but I can't find it now.

On 2/11/19 1:22 pm, Helena Mitasova wrote:
> I looked into this a little bit and I did not find any Standards 
> committee here
> https://www.osgeo.org/about/committees/
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Main_Page
> https://www.osgeo.org/about/board/
>
> But I found OSGeo Standards special interest group and associated 
> mailing list:
> http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/Special-Interest-Groups-f5179645.html
> http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-Standards-f5012448.html
> Interestingly enough, I could not find the special interest groups on 
> the new website - is it something that should be added there?
>
> I don’t think that board vote is needed to establish a special 
> interest group and mailing list,
> But the board can voice support and endorsement - I would like to 
> voice my support here if the special interest group is the way to go.
>
> Cameron, if you think that it would be better to have Lexicon as an 
> official OSGeo committee (with everything that comes with it, see
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Committee_Guidelines), then apparently, 
>  the board needs to vote to approve the committee chair
> according to the guidelines (which I believe are partially based on 
> the bylaws).
>
> I hope this clarifies the process somewhat and cameron please let us 
> know which way you would like to go,
>
> Thanks a lot for the initiative, Helena
>
>> On Nov 1, 2019, at 9:13 PM, Cameron Shorter 
>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Astroidex, Kalxas, Delawen, Helena, OSGeo Board,
>>
>> Do my answers below address your questions re setting up an OSGeo 
>> Lexicon committee?
>>
>> Within the next few weeks I'm hoping to reach out to those from the 
>> OSGeo community who have provided glossaries and are likely to be 
>> interested in joining a Lexicon committee. From that committee we can 
>> elect a chair.
>>
>> I'm prefer to have the OSGeo Board's blessing before progressing 
>> further. Is that something you'd be prepared to provide?
>>
>> Cheers, Cameron
>>
>> On 30/10/19 10:17 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>> Hi Angelos, board,
>>> That is a good question. Working the lexicon community within the 
>>> standards committee is something we should consider. While I 
>>> wouldn't want to rule it out as an option, I'd vote -0 for it.
>>> My reasoning:
>>> * The lexicon committee is only focusing on one very narrow use case 
>>> within the greater OSGeo/Standards space.
>>> * The standards committee has a very board focus across all 
>>> standards related use cases. In particular, it has focused on 
>>> managing the relationship between OSGeo and OGC.
>>> * The lexicon committee will be very noisy within this very specific 
>>> lexicon use case. People interested in general standards will be 
>>> swapped with emails and I predict we will very quickly kill off any 
>>> other standards related conversations due to the noise.
>>> * The standards committee is relatively quiet, and it could be 
>>> argued that we could consider retiring the standards committee and 
>>> restart it as a lexicon committee. I don't think this is the case. I 
>>> think the standards committee still has meaning and purpose.
>>>
>>> For these reasons, I believe the Lexicon and Standards committees 
>>> should be kept separate.
>>>
>>> For my next steps, I'm hoping to follow this process:
>>> 1. Get endorsement from the board.
>>> 2. Create a new lexicon at lists.osgeo.org 
>>> <mailto:lexicon at lists.osgeo.org> email list
>>> 3. Reach out to OSGeo projects and invite them to join the list and 
>>> participate in a committee
>>> 4. Boostrap a lexicon committee
>>> 5. Committee members to vote for a committee chair
>>> 6. Start getting serious about the work we are doing.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping that the board can discuss via email, ask questions which 
>>> I'll answer, then we can set up a motion and help us move through 
>>> the steps above.
>>>
>>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>>
>>> For reference, I've copied comments from the board meeting:
>>> http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2019-10-28.log
>>>
>>> 16:22:49 	helena_: 	#7 Lexicon committee
>>> 16:23:13 	helena_: 	they keep changing the name but it is an 
>>> important initiative
>>> 16:23:37 	astroidex: 	just a question. Could it be part of one 
>>> existing committee?
>>> 16:23:47 	delawen: 	(I'm back did I miss any voting?)
>>> 16:23:50 	kalxas: 	I am wondering why this has to be a separate 
>>> committee from standards
>>> 16:24:03 	astroidex: 	same for me
>>> 16:24:06 	kalxas: 	delawen, no :)
>>> 16:24:19 	astroidex: 	it could be part of education
>>> 16:24:38 	delawen: 	if they feel they have enough work to be 
>>> isolated... see no reason why not
>>> 16:24:43 	astroidex: 	https://www.osgeo.org/about/committees/
>>> 16:24:44 	sigq: 	Title: Committees - OSGeo (at www.osgeo.org 
>>> <http://www.osgeo.org/>)
>>> 16:24:44 	kalxas: 	given that OGC and ISO are involved, I think it 
>>> should be standards
>>> 16:24:53 	delawen: 	but I would give them some time to do stuff 
>>> before making them official
>>> 16:25:41 	delawen: 	If you think it should be standards, we can 
>>> answer them that
>>> 16:25:41 	kalxas: 	also, we do need a chair to approve them, right?
>>> 16:26:00 	helena_: 	Angelos - can you please get bcak to Cameron 
>>> with suggestion from the board to make it part of standards?
>>> 16:26:25 	astroidex: 	good idea
>>> 16:26:44 	kalxas: 	yes, I can follow up
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 02:30, Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Hi Cameron,
>>>
>>>     The formation of the lexicon committee was discussed during the
>>>     board
>>>     meeting yesterday.
>>>     One question that came up is: what is the reason this work
>>>     cannot be
>>>     done under the standards committee, since this involves members
>>>     from
>>>     OSGeo, OGC and ISO?
>>>
>>>     Regards,
>>>     Angelos
>>>
>>>     On 10/24/19 12:16 AM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>     > Angelos,
>>>     >
>>>     > We haven't discussed selecting a chair of the committee yet,
>>>     but I
>>>     > will be suggesting Reese and/or Ron as we bootstrap this
>>>     committee.
>>>     > They both have been been very active in setting up this
>>>     initiative and
>>>     > come with lots of experience.
>>>     >
>>>     > On 22/10/19 10:47 pm, Victoria Rautenbach wrote:
>>>     >> Dear All
>>>     >>
>>>     >> This is a great initiative, thank you Cameron and Reese. I fully
>>>     >> support this initiative and working with the ISO/TC 211 TMG
>>>     on their
>>>     >> mature terminology database.
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Reese, will be great to work with you again!
>>>     >>
>>>     >> Regards
>>>     >> Victoria
>>>     >>
>>>     >> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:52 AM Angelos Tzotsos
>>>     >> <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com <mailto:gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>     >>> Hi Cameron,
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> Have you decided on a committee chair?
>>>     >>> Who will be the point of contact for the board?
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> Cheers,
>>>     >>> Angelos
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> On 10/21/19 8:32 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> OSGeo Board,
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> On behalf of Ron, Reese and myself, I've added an item to
>>>     the board
>>>     >>> agenda requested the board's approval for the setting up of
>>>     an OSGeo
>>>     >>> Lexicon Committee. Unfortunately none of us will be awake
>>>     during
>>>     >>> this meeting so will not be in a position to discuss the
>>>     proposal in
>>>     >>> person. Hopefully if you have any questions you can raise them
>>>     >>> before hand in this email thread.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> We have started a wiki page for the committee here:
>>>     >>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Lexicon_Committee
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> Thanks in advance, Cameron
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> On 19/10/19 4:15 am, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> Angelos, the other end of the day would probably be easier.
>>>     I think
>>>     >>> this link shows board locations along with Ron (Hong Kong)
>>>     and Reese
>>>     >>> (Tokyo).
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?year=2019&month=10&day=20&p1=240&p2=248&p3=102&p4=269&p5=250&p6=26&p7=37&p8=286&p9=734
>>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?year=2019&month=10&day=19&p1=240&p2=248&p3=102&p4=269&p5=250&p6=26&p7=37&p8=286&p9=734>
>>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> Does anyone else from the OSGeo board have an opinion on this
>>>     >>> proposal and wish to share it? We could make the meeting
>>>     >>> coordination easier if we narrow participation to only those
>>>     with an
>>>     >>> interest and an opinion.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> On 18/10/19 8:16 pm, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> Hi,
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> In that case we should probably arrange a specific call for
>>>     this topic.
>>>     >>> I think the only working timeslot would be around
>>>     20:00-22:00 UTC
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> On 10/17/19 9:24 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> Angelos, the board meeting is 3am for me. The 3 of us
>>>     involved are
>>>     >>> in this Asian/Australia timezone.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> Reese, we can get you set up with IRC (Internet Chat Relay)
>>>     quite
>>>     >>> easily. It is text based only. Quickest way to get started
>>>     is with
>>>     >>> the web client: https://webchat.freenode.net/
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> On 17/10/19 10:19 pm, rplews at tc211tmg.org
>>>     <mailto:rplews at tc211tmg.org> wrote:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> hello Angelos, thank you for the invitation, two issues for me,
>>>     >>> local time is 1am and i have never done Internet Relay Chat.
>>>     i can
>>>     >>> do skype or zoom. if you have another time/date let me
>>>     know.  sorry
>>>     >>> about this time.
>>>     >>> reese
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>      ----- Original Message -----
>>>     >>>      From:
>>>     >>>      "Angelos Tzotsos" <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>      To:
>>>     >>>      "Cameron Shorter" <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>>,
>>>     >>> <standards at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:standards at lists.osgeo.org>>, "board at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org>"
>>>     >>> <board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org>>,
>>>     "OSGeo Discussions" <discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:discuss at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>>     >>>      Cc:
>>>     >>>      "Reese Plews" <rplews at gmail.com <mailto:rplews at gmail.com>>
>>>     >>>      Sent:
>>>     >>>      Thu, 17 Oct 2019 12:14:37 +0300
>>>     >>>      Subject:
>>>     >>>      Re: [OSGeo-Standards] [Board] glossary discussion on
>>>     >>>      osgeo-standards ....
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>      Hi all,
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>      Would someone be available to join our next board
>>>     meeting to
>>>     >>>      discuss this issue?
>>>     >>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2019-10-28
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>      Regards,
>>>     >>>      Angelos
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>      On 10/15/19 9:52 PM, Cameron Shorter wrote:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>          OSGeo Board, OSGeo Discuss,
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>          I'd like to introduce you to this proposal that Ron
>>>     and Reese
>>>     >>>          have been developing on the OSGeo Standards email
>>>     list, which
>>>     >>>          I think should fit under the legal structure of an
>>>     OSGeo
>>>     >>>          Committee.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>          I have vague recollections that setting up a committee
>>>     >>>          requires board approval? I've found some old tips
>>>     on running a
>>>     >>>          committee here:
>>>     >>> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Committee_Guidelines
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>          Comments welcomed.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>          On 15/10/19 4:47 pm, Ronald Tse wrote:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              Hi Cameron,
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              Thank you for the suggestions! I have updated
>>>     the proposal
>>>     >>>              to reflect your comments below.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              I would be honored to help with terminology
>>>     management at
>>>     >>>              OSGeo. Can’t speak for Reese but with his
>>>     leadership in
>>>     >>>              already doing terminology cleanup on Felicity’s
>>>     sheet, he
>>>     >>>              seems pretty committed already :-)
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              Ron
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              ———
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              Recommendations for OSGeo terminology management
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              1. Establish a terminology management group in
>>>     OSGeo.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              ISO/TC 211, IEC Electropedia and OGC all have
>>>     one for
>>>     >>>              terminology management. The existence of this
>>>     group is
>>>     >>>              crucial to the success of the OSGeo terminology
>>>     database.
>>>     >>>              It will play two essential roles:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              a) As the gatekeeper of terms to ensure quality
>>>     checks of
>>>     >>>              contributions
>>>     >>>              b) As the seat of central terminology knowledge for
>>>     >>>              alignment of terms and concepts. To facilitate
>>>     the flow of
>>>     >>>              terminology knowledge to terminology authors
>>>     and users.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              It would be helpful to involve representation
>>>     from ISO/TC
>>>     >>>              211 and OGC in this group, in order to leverage
>>>     their
>>>     >>>              experience in terminology. Such experience will
>>>     be useful
>>>     >>>              in situations such as alerting on
>>>     cross-organization
>>>     >>>              alignment of concepts or term duplication.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              An email list shall be setup for this group for
>>>     internal
>>>     >>>              communication.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              2. Establish a terms of reference for terminology
>>>     >>> management.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              For the terminology management group, a terms
>>>     of reference
>>>     >>>              should be produced so that the steps for
>>>     approval and data
>>>     >>>              quality requirements are clear. This should be
>>>     openly
>>>     >>>              shared with contributors so they are clear on
>>>     acceptance
>>>     >>>              criteria.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              Contributors may propose changes to the terminology
>>>     >>>              database at any time. The terminology
>>>     management group
>>>     >>>              shall discuss and approve or disapprove of the
>>>     proposal
>>>     >>>              within a reasonable timeframe. This practice is
>>>     in-line
>>>     >>>              with the open source, change-based, rapid iteration
>>>     >>>              mantra, similar to OpenSSL.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              For releases, the group shall convene
>>>     periodically, such
>>>     >>>              as every 4-6 months, to discuss previously decided
>>>     >>>              proposals, governance or technical issues
>>>     related to
>>>     >>>              terminology management.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              The method of submitting change requests shall
>>>     also be
>>>     >>>              determined and announced so that contributors
>>>     understand
>>>     >>>              the necessary processes and timeline.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              3. Establish an online terminology database
>>>     presence.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              Terminology isn’t useful until people use them,
>>>     which
>>>     >>>              means people need to first know they exist and
>>>     what they
>>>     >>>              mean. Geolexica is an initiative that currently
>>>     serves
>>>     >>>              ISO/TC 211’s terminology management group in
>>>     making its
>>>     >>>              multi-lingual geographic information
>>>     terminology available
>>>     >>>              on the internet (https://www.geolexica.org
>>>     <https://www.geolexica.org/>). We propose to
>>>     >>>              use https://osgeo.geolexica.org/ to serve OSGeo in
>>>     >>>              managing its terminology database. Geolexica
>>>     not only
>>>     >>>              serves human-readable concepts and terms, but
>>>     also serves
>>>     >>>              in machine-readable JSON, allowing APIs to directly
>>>     >>>              consume the content.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              The structure of Geolexica is designed for
>>>     efficiency with
>>>     >>>              streamlined management and operations. Terms
>>>     are stored in
>>>     >>>              structured data (YAML) files, and are directly
>>>     deployable
>>>     >>>              to the website. The website operates according
>>>     to best
>>>     >>>              practices, and is served as a static website
>>>     with dynamic
>>>     >>>              search functionality. Security and performance
>>>     have always
>>>     >>>              been key considerations.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              For terms that originate from other authoritative
>>>     >>>              terminology databases, such as those from ISO
>>>     or OGC, a
>>>     >>>              linkage shall be established from the OSGeo
>>>     terminology
>>>     >>>              database back to the source.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              4. Use an issue tracker with source code management
>>>     >>>              functionality as an open communication platform
>>>     (e.g.
>>>     >>>              GitHub).
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              The issue tracker is used to perform two-way
>>>     communication
>>>     >>>              between OSGeo members and the contributors.
>>>     This requires
>>>     >>>              every contributor to at least have an account,
>>>     which helps
>>>     >>>              minimize spam. The source code management
>>>     functionality is
>>>     >>>              used to manage terminology data in a
>>>     machine-useable way.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              There are generally two types of contributors:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              a) those who suggest changes via textual
>>>     description, and
>>>     >>>              b) those who suggest changes but can also
>>>     format the
>>>     >>>              desired content in the data format used by the
>>>     terminology
>>>     >>>              database.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              People can easily help out with the former in
>>>     formatting
>>>     >>>              the changes into a proper data structure
>>>     change. This
>>>     >>>              allows the terminology management group to directly
>>>     >>>              approve, merge and deploy the proposed term
>>>     modifications
>>>     >>>              (and creations, deletions), all made effective
>>>     with a
>>>     >>>              single click.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              5. Allow easy feedback from terminology users.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              To minimize friction in the feedback process,
>>>     for every
>>>     >>>              term offered in the OSGeo terminology pages we
>>>     can offer a
>>>     >>>              “propose new term” and “propose changes to this
>>>     term"
>>>     >>>              buttons. This allows user to directly go to the
>>>     issue
>>>     >>>              platform (e.g. GitHub) to make the suggested
>>>     changes.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              A “contributors guide” document will greatly
>>>     help these
>>>     >>>              people make the proper suggestions and have
>>>     them formatted
>>>     >>>              correctly.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              6. Initial load and data cleanup.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              The initial load of the terms will involve a
>>>     bulk load
>>>     >>>              from the cleaned terms and definitions that
>>>     Felicity has
>>>     >>>              compiled. Geolexica could easily handle the initial
>>>     >>>              conversion from table format into the desired
>>>     structured
>>>     >>>              data format.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              The cleanup process has already been started by
>>>     Reese
>>>     >>>              Plews, convenor of the TMG at ISO/TC 211.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> _____________________________________
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>              Ronald Tse
>>>     >>>              Ribose Inc.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>                  On Oct 10, 2019, at 3:34 PM, Cameron Shorter
>>>     >>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>                  Hi Ron,
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>                  I really like your proposal. It looks very
>>>     practical,
>>>     >>>                  should address quality requirements, and
>>>     should be
>>>     >>>                  relatively light weight to manage. Some
>>>     >>> comments/suggestions:
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>                  * You might want to mention the approach to
>>>     your first
>>>     >>>                  load of terms, which probably should
>>>     involve a bulk
>>>     >>>                  load from a derivative of the terms that
>>>     Felicity has
>>>     >>>                  compiled.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>                  * I suggest we set up an email list to
>>>     discuss terms.
>>>     >>>                  OSGeo can provide that for us, and I can
>>>     coordinate
>>>     >>>                  that, once we have agreed on our approach.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>                  * I suggest that an updating the glossary
>>>     be tied to a
>>>     >>>                  periodic event, at least annually. I think
>>>     we should
>>>     >>>                  tie in with the OSGeoLive annual build
>>>     cycle for this.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>                  * You haven't mentioned
>>>     https://osgeo.geolexica.org/
>>>     >>> <https://osgeo.geolexica.org/> in your description. I
>>>     >>>                  assume that would be part of the solution?
>>>     If so, I
>>>     >>>                  suggest mentioning it.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>                  * Another project I'm helping start up is
>>>     >>> https://thegooddocsproject.dev/
>>>     >>> <https://thegooddocsproject.dev/> (Writing templates
>>>     >>>                  to make good docs for open source
>>>     projects). I expect
>>>     >>>                  that the solution you are proposing would
>>>     be valuable
>>>     >>>                  for a wide variety of domains, and should
>>>     be captured
>>>     >>>                  as best practices in TheGoodDocsProject. At
>>>     some point
>>>     >>>                  in the future, I'm hoping that you might
>>>     provide a
>>>     >>>                  generic version of your suggestions for
>>>     others to
>>>     >>>                  follow too.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>                  Feel free to add your ideas below into the
>>>     wiki at:
>>>     >>> https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeolive/wiki/Glossary%20terms
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>                  (Maybe add "DRAFT" at the top, until we
>>>     have the
>>>     >>>                  process set up.)
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>                  * Ron and Reese, I'm hoping that you both will
>>>     >>>                  continue to provide the leadership and
>>>     stewardship of
>>>     >>>                  the community as it grows? Your advice has
>>>     been great
>>>     >>>                  to date.
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>                  Warm regards, Cameron
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> _______________________________________________
>>>     >>>              Standards mailing list
>>>     >>> Standards at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Standards at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>     >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/standards
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> _______________________________________________
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>          Board mailing list
>>>     >>> Board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>     >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>      --
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>      Angelos Tzotsos, PhD
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>      Charter Member
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>      Open Source Geospatial Foundation
>>>     >>> http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> --
>>>     >>> Cameron Shorter
>>>     >>> Technology Demystifier
>>>     >>> Open Technologies and Geospatial Consultant
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> M +61 (0) 419 142 254
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> _______________________________________________
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>>>     >>> Board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>     >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> --
>>>     >>> Angelos Tzotsos, PhD
>>>     >>> Charter Member
>>>     >>> Open Source Geospatial Foundation
>>>     >>> http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos
>>>     >>>
>>>     >>> _______________________________________________
>>>     >>> Board mailing list
>>>     >>> Board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:Board at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>     >>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/board
>>>     >
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     Angelos Tzotsos, PhD
>>>     Charter Member
>>>     Open Source Geospatial Foundation
>>>     http://users.ntua.gr/tzotsos
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Cameron Shorter
>>> Technology Demystifier
>>> Open Technologies and Geospatial Consultant
>>>
>>> M +61 (0) 419 142 254
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> -- 
>> Cameron Shorter
>> Technology Demystifier
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