[OSGeo-Conf] Looking for the keeper of the videos from FOSS4GNA- PDX (2014)

Wed Sep 23 11:47:33 PDT 2015

Hi all --

I'll leave the discussion over service and account decisions to others, but
until the issue is settled is it possible for us to retrieve old
Vimeo-hosted videos (download, etc), or are they lost in the ether until
the account is renewed?

I ask because, coincidentally to this thread, last week I had someone
randomly find my presentation page from FOSS4G 2014 online. They emailed to
let me know the video was 404ing, and ask if by chance I had another source
for it (unfortunately I don't). Interesting coincidence, and one that could
easily affect more than just myself & my PDX talk.

Cheers,
Sara

On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Bob
>
> Any proposal needs to be sustainable in terms of costs and volunteer time
> (e.g. for recording, uploading indexing etc). Using multiple services is
> going to become very cumbersome and is unlikely to be sustainable in my
> opinion unless the video volunteers have a lot of time available.
>
> Whilst an archive is a nice to have most of the presentations at FOSS4G
> have a limited shelf life and we need to balance the effort involved in
> having downloadable archives with the likelihood of them ever being used
> and the cost of maintaining them.
>
>
> ______
> Steven
>
>
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 17:01, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) <
> bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us> wrote:
>
> (I’m not allow to post to the CONF list, should we take this to the
> GENERAL list)
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> But how to enforce that type of indexing/tagging operation.
>
> No big argument on any of your listed capabilities below, only that they
> are not obviously made known by the YouTube service.  I’ve known for a long
> time how to download from YouTube, but it’s also not as plain of an
> explanation how to do so as on other sites.
>
> Youtube seems to not focus on sharing the actual content, even though they
> may allow it.  And I’m not totally convince, after I went back and read
> their usage agreement again.  Still a little foggy on the reuse aspects.
>
> I guess this topic would be best settled by using more than on service as
> a repository.  Maybe require two or three different free services to be
> used would be the best approach.
>
> bobb
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Ross <andrew.ross at eclipse.org> wrote:
>
> Dear Bob,
>
> Some of this may be things you & others may already know.
>
> The 15 minute limit is quickly waived if you ask for it & even
> automatically in a lot of cases. Google it & you'll see info about this.
>
> For what it's worth, videos in YouTube can be shared trivially via. email
> or social media and embedded into any external site. This is very common
> and a good idea.
>
> Additionally, in my opinion, within YouTube, it is best practice to
> complete meta data for the video (talk title, description) and tag the
> videos with keywords (project, topic, technology, event, etc.) This makes
> them a lot easier to find and relate to other talks shared by other people
> on the same topics.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> A
>
> On 21/09/15 10:53, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I like to think of these types of media as a Library of sorts.  And
> keeping them available is in the best interests of the community.  I have
> no way of calculating the benefits however.
>
> Back to Youtube uploading complication (as I see them), there are defaults
> like 15min length, etc.  Things that the average joe may have problems with
> as far as uploading something. The limit can be increased, but that would
> require a media lib rain of some sort to manage the account.
>
> Also, how would/could the process of indexing and binding to projects be
> best accomplished with YouTube?  Via an outside database, or??  I ask this
> now since it’s seems relevant if this topic leads to it’s logical
> conclusion of bringing media together into a single repository.
>
> bobb
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Fenoy Gerald <gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr>
> wrote:
>
> David,
> I personally feel that it is better to react than doing nothing,even if,as
> you said "the technology is moving fast", still many did so amazing work
> that we should keep trace of it …
>
> Nevertheless, I wonder if we can ask so much work to our so loved SAC
> community without expensing at least a small amount of money …Sorry I know
> I spoke too much about it during this week, but still … if our president
> deserve to have some income, SAC do deserve also !
>
> So what will be the next move exactly, if any ?
>
> Le 20 sept. 2015 à 02:37, David Percy <percyd at pdx.edu> a écrit :
>
> It seems like we should have a permanent archive on our own servers, in
> addition to a public consumption interface like one of the services we have
> been discussing.
> This starts to get into a long term digital stewardship issue. We need to
> perhaps have a longer view... With content tags and stuff. But not so
> difficult that it becomes a task that is hard to manage, and therefore
> never gets done. Maybe a simple CMS... Aren't we using drupal already?
>
> Unless we think these talks are more ephemeral due to the rapidly changing
> technology.
>
> In which case we can leave the issue in the more ad hoc status that it is,
> and just let each LOC deal with it.
> Just a thought,
> Percy
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> I don’t see $200/year of value in Vimeo. Surely we want our content to
> have the widest possible real, won’t that come through YouTube?
> ______
> Steven
>
>
> On 19 Sep 2015, at 03:10, Andrew Ross <andrew.ross at eclipse.org> wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> They are creative commons licensed and downloading is trivial. Just landed
> returning from Seoul so I'll post how to do so tomorrow.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> A
>
> On September 18, 2015 5:43:49 PM EDT, "Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)" <
> bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us> wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> I have a problem with the YouTube License.  Once it’s up there, they get
> to use it however they want, forever.
>
> Also, I (still) don’t see a method for downloading anything for saving as
> a local copy from YouTube (at least not legally).
>
> Vimeo let’s you download/copy, and even pick who sees your content., etc.
> I’ll be the first to admit though, that not everyone will care about this,
> until they do, and then it will be too late.
>
> bobb
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Ross <andrew.ross at eclipse.org> wrote:
>
> YouTube has a much bigger community, is free, and the search/indexing
> can't be beat.
>
> I like Vimeo, have used it a fair amount, but this is no contest.. YouTube
> wins imho.
>
> A
>
> On September 18, 2015 11:06:30 AM PDT, Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Is Vimeo preferred to YouTube? Why?
>
> Andrew Ross post 90+ 2013 videos on YouTube at zero cost
>
> Regards
> Steven
>
>
> +44 (0) 7958 924101
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 18 Sep 2015, at 18:57, Darrell Fuhriman <darrell at garnix.org> wrote:
>
> Aww crap.
>
> Our vimeo pro account expired, and apparently that took some of the videos
> offline. I didn’t think that was going to happen — I guess I mis-read the
> consequences.
>
> FWIW, I think OSGeo should keep this account up and consolidate all the
> foss4g videos there (including the forthcoming 2015).
>
> Board: is this a service that OSGeo is willing to pay for? It’s $200/year.
>
> Darrell
>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:11, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) <
> bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us> wrote:
>
> Edit . . .
>
> Oops, I mean just FOSS4G.   Looks like a few of the videos that were on
> Vimeo have gone missing, besides mine.  At least based on the links from
> here:  Maybe something has changed on Vimeo??
>
> http://2014.foss4g.org/schedule/sessions/index.html
>
>
>
> bobb
>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) <
> bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I’m looking for the Keeper of the conference videos from FOSS4GNA PDX
> (2014)
>
> I see a lot of them on Vimeo, but the one I did seems to be missing.  It
> used to be there.  Unless I’m using a
> bad search filter . . .
>
>
> Thanks
>
> bobb
>
>
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