[OSGeo-Conf] Looking for the keeper of the videos from FOSS4GNA- PDX (2014)

Wed Sep 23 13:51:24 PDT 2015

I also got an email from a friend who teaches some college courses and he
said that he regularly makes use of this material and would really like to
see it back online asap. I think we should seriously consider spending the
$200 to reinstate the videos in the short term (for one more year) while we
figure out a longer term strategy.

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Sara Safavi <sara at sarasafavi.com> wrote:

> Hi all --
>
> I'll leave the discussion over service and account decisions to others,
> but until the issue is settled is it possible for us to retrieve old
> Vimeo-hosted videos (download, etc), or are they lost in the ether until
> the account is renewed?
>
> I ask because, coincidentally to this thread, last week I had someone
> randomly find my presentation page from FOSS4G 2014 online. They emailed to
> let me know the video was 404ing, and ask if by chance I had another source
> for it (unfortunately I don't). Interesting coincidence, and one that could
> easily affect more than just myself & my PDX talk.
>
> Cheers,
> Sara
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob
>>
>> Any proposal needs to be sustainable in terms of costs and volunteer time
>> (e.g. for recording, uploading indexing etc). Using multiple services is
>> going to become very cumbersome and is unlikely to be sustainable in my
>> opinion unless the video volunteers have a lot of time available.
>>
>> Whilst an archive is a nice to have most of the presentations at FOSS4G
>> have a limited shelf life and we need to balance the effort involved in
>> having downloadable archives with the likelihood of them ever being used
>> and the cost of maintaining them.
>>
>>
>> ______
>> Steven
>>
>>
>> On 21 Sep 2015, at 17:01, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) <
>> bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us> wrote:
>>
>> (I’m not allow to post to the CONF list, should we take this to the
>> GENERAL list)
>>
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>> But how to enforce that type of indexing/tagging operation.
>>
>> No big argument on any of your listed capabilities below, only that they
>> are not obviously made known by the YouTube service.  I’ve known for a long
>> time how to download from YouTube, but it’s also not as plain of an
>> explanation how to do so as on other sites.
>>
>> Youtube seems to not focus on sharing the actual content, even though
>> they may allow it.  And I’m not totally convince, after I went back and
>> read their usage agreement again.  Still a little foggy on the reuse
>> aspects.
>>
>> I guess this topic would be best settled by using more than on service as
>> a repository.  Maybe require two or three different free services to be
>> used would be the best approach.
>>
>> bobb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Ross <andrew.ross at eclipse.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Bob,
>>
>> Some of this may be things you & others may already know.
>>
>> The 15 minute limit is quickly waived if you ask for it & even
>> automatically in a lot of cases. Google it & you'll see info about this.
>>
>> For what it's worth, videos in YouTube can be shared trivially via. email
>> or social media and embedded into any external site. This is very common
>> and a good idea.
>>
>> Additionally, in my opinion, within YouTube, it is best practice to
>> complete meta data for the video (talk title, description) and tag the
>> videos with keywords (project, topic, technology, event, etc.) This makes
>> them a lot easier to find and relate to other talks shared by other people
>> on the same topics.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> A
>>
>> On 21/09/15 10:53, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I like to think of these types of media as a Library of sorts.  And
>> keeping them available is in the best interests of the community.  I have
>> no way of calculating the benefits however.
>>
>> Back to Youtube uploading complication (as I see them), there are
>> defaults like 15min length, etc.  Things that the average joe may have
>> problems with as far as uploading something. The limit can be increased,
>> but that would require a media lib rain of some sort to manage the account.
>>
>> Also, how would/could the process of indexing and binding to projects be
>> best accomplished with YouTube?  Via an outside database, or??  I ask this
>> now since it’s seems relevant if this topic leads to it’s logical
>> conclusion of bringing media together into a single repository.
>>
>> bobb
>>
>>
>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Fenoy Gerald <gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr>
>> wrote:
>>
>> David,
>> I personally feel that it is better to react than doing nothing,even
>> if,as you said "the technology is moving fast", still many did so amazing
>> work that we should keep trace of it …
>>
>> Nevertheless, I wonder if we can ask so much work to our so loved SAC
>> community without expensing at least a small amount of money …Sorry I know
>> I spoke too much about it during this week, but still … if our president
>> deserve to have some income, SAC do deserve also !
>>
>> So what will be the next move exactly, if any ?
>>
>> Le 20 sept. 2015 à 02:37, David Percy <percyd at pdx.edu> a écrit :
>>
>> It seems like we should have a permanent archive on our own servers, in
>> addition to a public consumption interface like one of the services we have
>> been discussing.
>> This starts to get into a long term digital stewardship issue. We need to
>> perhaps have a longer view... With content tags and stuff. But not so
>> difficult that it becomes a task that is hard to manage, and therefore
>> never gets done. Maybe a simple CMS... Aren't we using drupal already?
>>
>> Unless we think these talks are more ephemeral due to the rapidly
>> changing technology.
>>
>> In which case we can leave the issue in the more ad hoc status that it
>> is, and just let each LOC deal with it.
>> Just a thought,
>> Percy
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> I don’t see $200/year of value in Vimeo. Surely we want our content to
>> have the widest possible real, won’t that come through YouTube?
>> ______
>> Steven
>>
>>
>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 03:10, Andrew Ross <andrew.ross at eclipse.org> wrote:
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> They are creative commons licensed and downloading is trivial. Just
>> landed returning from Seoul so I'll post how to do so tomorrow.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> A
>>
>> On September 18, 2015 5:43:49 PM EDT, "Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)" <
>> bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us> wrote:
>> Andrew,
>>
>> I have a problem with the YouTube License.  Once it’s up there, they get
>> to use it however they want, forever.
>>
>> Also, I (still) don’t see a method for downloading anything for saving as
>> a local copy from YouTube (at least not legally).
>>
>> Vimeo let’s you download/copy, and even pick who sees your content.,
>> etc.  I’ll be the first to admit though, that not everyone will care about
>> this, until they do, and then it will be too late.
>>
>> bobb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Ross <andrew.ross at eclipse.org> wrote:
>>
>> YouTube has a much bigger community, is free, and the search/indexing
>> can't be beat.
>>
>> I like Vimeo, have used it a fair amount, but this is no contest..
>> YouTube wins imho.
>>
>> A
>>
>> On September 18, 2015 11:06:30 AM PDT, Steven Feldman <
>> shfeldman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is Vimeo preferred to YouTube? Why?
>>
>> Andrew Ross post 90+ 2013 videos on YouTube at zero cost
>>
>> Regards
>> Steven
>>
>>
>> +44 (0) 7958 924101
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 18 Sep 2015, at 18:57, Darrell Fuhriman <darrell at garnix.org> wrote:
>>
>> Aww crap.
>>
>> Our vimeo pro account expired, and apparently that took some of the
>> videos offline. I didn’t think that was going to happen — I guess I
>> mis-read the consequences.
>>
>> FWIW, I think OSGeo should keep this account up and consolidate all the
>> foss4g videos there (including the forthcoming 2015).
>>
>> Board: is this a service that OSGeo is willing to pay for? It’s $200/year.
>>
>> Darrell
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:11, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) <
>> bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us> wrote:
>>
>> Edit . . .
>>
>> Oops, I mean just FOSS4G.   Looks like a few of the videos that were on
>> Vimeo have gone missing, besides mine.  At least based on the links from
>> here:  Maybe something has changed on Vimeo??
>>
>> http://2014.foss4g.org/schedule/sessions/index.html
>>
>>
>>
>> bobb
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) <
>> bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I’m looking for the Keeper of the conference videos from FOSS4GNA PDX
>> (2014)
>>
>> I see a lot of them on Vimeo, but the one I did seems to be missing.  It
>> used to be there.  Unless I’m using a
>> bad search filter . . .
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> bobb
>>
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