[OSGeo-Conf] Looking for the keeper of the videos from FOSS4GNA- PDX (2014)
Jeff McKenna
jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
Wed Sep 23 14:20:04 PDT 2015
I agree Peter. Do you think this calls for a Board vote now, to approve
the $200 payment from the OSGeo Treasurer? Let me know and I will start
that vote if needed.
-jeff
On 2015-09-23 5:51 PM, Peter Batty wrote:
> I also got an email from a friend who teaches some college courses and
> he said that he regularly makes use of this material and would really
> like to see it back online asap. I think we should seriously consider
> spending the $200 to reinstate the videos in the short term (for one
> more year) while we figure out a longer term strategy.
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Sara Safavi <sara at sarasafavi.com
> <mailto:sara at sarasafavi.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi all --
>
> I'll leave the discussion over service and account decisions to
> others, but until the issue is settled is it possible for us to
> retrieve old Vimeo-hosted videos (download, etc), or are they lost
> in the ether until the account is renewed?
>
> I ask because, coincidentally to this thread, last week I had
> someone randomly find my presentation page from FOSS4G 2014 online.
> They emailed to let me know the video was 404ing, and ask if by
> chance I had another source for it (unfortunately I don't).
> Interesting coincidence, and one that could easily affect more than
> just myself & my PDX talk.
>
> Cheers,
> Sara
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Steven Feldman
> <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Bob
>
> Any proposal needs to be sustainable in terms of costs and
> volunteer time (e.g. for recording, uploading indexing etc).
> Using multiple services is going to become very cumbersome and
> is unlikely to be sustainable in my opinion unless the video
> volunteers have a lot of time available.
>
> Whilst an archive is a nice to have most of the presentations at
> FOSS4G have a limited shelf life and we need to balance the
> effort involved in having downloadable archives with the
> likelihood of them ever being used and the cost of maintaining them.
>
>
> ______
> Steven
>
>
>> On 21 Sep 2015, at 17:01, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>
>> (I’m not allow to post to the CONF list, should we take this
>> to the GENERAL list)
>>
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>> But how to enforce that type of indexing/tagging operation.
>>
>> No big argument on any of your listed capabilities below, only
>> that they are not obviously made known by the YouTube
>> service. I’ve known for a long time how to download from
>> YouTube, but it’s also not as plain of an explanation how to
>> do so as on other sites.
>>
>> Youtube seems to not focus on sharing the actual content, even
>> though they may allow it. And I’m not totally convince, after
>> I went back and read their usage agreement again. Still a
>> little foggy on the reuse aspects.
>>
>> I guess this topic would be best settled by using more than on
>> service as a repository. Maybe require two or three different
>> free services to be used would be the best approach.
>>
>> bobb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Ross
>>> <andrew.ross at eclipse.org <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Bob,
>>>
>>> Some of this may be things you & others may already know.
>>>
>>> The 15 minute limit is quickly waived if you ask for it &
>>> even automatically in a lot of cases. Google it & you'll see
>>> info about this.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, videos in YouTube can be shared
>>> trivially via. email or social media and embedded into any
>>> external site. This is very common and a good idea.
>>>
>>> Additionally, in my opinion, within YouTube, it is best
>>> practice to complete meta data for the video (talk title,
>>> description) and tag the videos with keywords (project,
>>> topic, technology, event, etc.) This makes them a lot easier
>>> to find and relate to other talks shared by other people on
>>> the same topics.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> A
>>>
>>> On 21/09/15 10:53, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I like to think of these types of media as a Library of
>>>> sorts. And keeping them available is in the best interests
>>>> of the community. I have no way of calculating the benefits
>>>> however.
>>>>
>>>> Back to Youtube uploading complication (as I see them),
>>>> there are defaults like 15min length, etc. Things that the
>>>> average joe may have problems with as far as uploading
>>>> something. The limit can be increased, but that would
>>>> require a media lib rain of some sort to manage the account.
>>>>
>>>> Also, how would/could the process of indexing and binding to
>>>> projects be best accomplished with YouTube? Via an outside
>>>> database, or?? I ask this now since it’s seems relevant if
>>>> this topic leads to it’s logical conclusion of bringing
>>>> media together into a single repository.
>>>>
>>>> bobb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Fenoy Gerald
>>>>> <gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr <mailto:gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> David,
>>>>> I personally feel that it is better to react than doing
>>>>> nothing,even if,as you said "the technology is moving
>>>>> fast", still many did so amazing work that we should keep
>>>>> trace of it …
>>>>>
>>>>> Nevertheless, I wonder if we can ask so much work to our so
>>>>> loved SAC community without expensing at least a small
>>>>> amount of money …Sorry I know I spoke too much about it
>>>>> during this week, but still … if our president deserve to
>>>>> have some income, SAC do deserve also !
>>>>>
>>>>> So what will be the next move exactly, if any ?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 20 sept. 2015 à 02:37, David Percy <percyd at pdx.edu
>>>>>> <mailto:percyd at pdx.edu>> a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems like we should have a permanent archive on our
>>>>>> own servers, in addition to a public consumption interface
>>>>>> like one of the services we have been discussing.
>>>>>> This starts to get into a long term digital stewardship
>>>>>> issue. We need to perhaps have a longer view... With
>>>>>> content tags and stuff. But not so difficult that it
>>>>>> becomes a task that is hard to manage, and therefore never
>>>>>> gets done. Maybe a simple CMS... Aren't we using drupal
>>>>>> already?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless we think these talks are more ephemeral due to the
>>>>>> rapidly changing technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In which case we can leave the issue in the more ad hoc
>>>>>> status that it is, and just let each LOC deal with it.
>>>>>> Just a thought,
>>>>>> Percy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Steven Feldman
>>>>>> <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> I don’t see $200/year of value in Vimeo. Surely we want
>>>>>> our content to have the widest possible real, won’t that
>>>>>> come through YouTube?
>>>>>> ______
>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 03:10, Andrew Ross
>>>>>>> <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>>>>>>> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are creative commons licensed and downloading is
>>>>>>> trivial. Just landed returning from Seoul so I'll post
>>>>>>> how to do so tomorrow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On September 18, 2015 5:43:49 PM EDT, "Basques, Bob
>>>>>>> (CI-StPaul)" <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>>>>> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a problem with the YouTube License. Once it’s up
>>>>>>> there, they get to use it however they want, forever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, I (still) don’t see a method for downloading
>>>>>>> anything for saving as a local copy from YouTube (at
>>>>>>> least not legally).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vimeo let’s you download/copy, and even pick who sees
>>>>>>> your content., etc. I’ll be the first to admit though,
>>>>>>> that not everyone will care about this, until they do,
>>>>>>> and then it will be too late.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bobb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Ross
>>>>>>>> <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>>>>>>>> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> YouTube has a much bigger community, is free, and the
>>>>>>>> search/indexing can't be beat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I like Vimeo, have used it a fair amount, but this is no
>>>>>>>> contest.. YouTube wins imho.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On September 18, 2015 11:06:30 AM PDT, Steven Feldman
>>>>>>>> <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Is Vimeo preferred to YouTube? Why?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andrew Ross post 90+ 2013 videos on YouTube at zero cost
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +44 (0) 7958 924101 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207958%20924101>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18 Sep 2015, at 18:57, Darrell Fuhriman
>>>>>>>> <darrell at garnix.org <mailto:darrell at garnix.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Aww crap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Our vimeo pro account expired, and apparently that took
>>>>>>>> some of the videos offline. I didn’t think that was
>>>>>>>> going to happen — I guess I mis-read the consequences.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FWIW, I think OSGeo should keep this account up and
>>>>>>>> consolidate all the foss4g videos there (including the
>>>>>>>> forthcoming 2015).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Board: is this a service that OSGeo is willing to pay
>>>>>>>> for? It’s $200/year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Darrell
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:11, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>>>>>>> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>>>>>> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Edit . . .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oops, I mean just FOSS4G. Looks like a few of the
>>>>>>>> videos that were on Vimeo have gone missing, besides
>>>>>>>> mine. At least based on the links from here: Maybe
>>>>>>>> something has changed on Vimeo??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://2014.foss4g.org/schedule/sessions/index.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bobb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>>>>>>> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>>>>>> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m looking for the Keeper of the conference videos from
>>>>>>>> FOSS4GNA PDX (2014)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I see a lot of them on Vimeo, but the one I did seems to
>>>>>>>> be missing. It used to be there. Unless I’m using a
>>>>>>>> bad search filter . . .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bobb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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