[OSGeo-Conf] Looking for the keeper of the videos from FOSS4GNA- PDX (2014)
Peter Batty
peter at ebatty.com
Wed Sep 23 14:32:35 PDT 2015
Hi Jeff, yes I'd support doing that. If you are willing to make the motion
that would be great. I think it's an important part of OSGeo's mission to
keep these videos online - from what several of us have heard from
different sources, people see them as valuable. I think $200 is a small
amount in the scheme of things, and this buys us some time to figure out
our longer term solution.
Cheers,
Peter.
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
> wrote:
> I agree Peter. Do you think this calls for a Board vote now, to approve
> the $200 payment from the OSGeo Treasurer? Let me know and I will start
> that vote if needed.
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
> On 2015-09-23 5:51 PM, Peter Batty wrote:
>
>> I also got an email from a friend who teaches some college courses and
>> he said that he regularly makes use of this material and would really
>> like to see it back online asap. I think we should seriously consider
>> spending the $200 to reinstate the videos in the short term (for one
>> more year) while we figure out a longer term strategy.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Sara Safavi <sara at sarasafavi.com
>> <mailto:sara at sarasafavi.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all --
>>
>> I'll leave the discussion over service and account decisions to
>> others, but until the issue is settled is it possible for us to
>> retrieve old Vimeo-hosted videos (download, etc), or are they lost
>> in the ether until the account is renewed?
>>
>> I ask because, coincidentally to this thread, last week I had
>> someone randomly find my presentation page from FOSS4G 2014 online.
>> They emailed to let me know the video was 404ing, and ask if by
>> chance I had another source for it (unfortunately I don't).
>> Interesting coincidence, and one that could easily affect more than
>> just myself & my PDX talk.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sara
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Steven Feldman
>> <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Any proposal needs to be sustainable in terms of costs and
>> volunteer time (e.g. for recording, uploading indexing etc).
>> Using multiple services is going to become very cumbersome and
>> is unlikely to be sustainable in my opinion unless the video
>> volunteers have a lot of time available.
>>
>> Whilst an archive is a nice to have most of the presentations at
>> FOSS4G have a limited shelf life and we need to balance the
>> effort involved in having downloadable archives with the
>> likelihood of them ever being used and the cost of maintaining
>> them.
>>
>>
>> ______
>> Steven
>>
>>
>> On 21 Sep 2015, at 17:01, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>
>>> (I’m not allow to post to the CONF list, should we take this
>>> to the GENERAL list)
>>>
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>
>>> But how to enforce that type of indexing/tagging operation.
>>>
>>> No big argument on any of your listed capabilities below, only
>>> that they are not obviously made known by the YouTube
>>> service. I’ve known for a long time how to download from
>>> YouTube, but it’s also not as plain of an explanation how to
>>> do so as on other sites.
>>>
>>> Youtube seems to not focus on sharing the actual content, even
>>> though they may allow it. And I’m not totally convince, after
>>> I went back and read their usage agreement again. Still a
>>> little foggy on the reuse aspects.
>>>
>>> I guess this topic would be best settled by using more than on
>>> service as a repository. Maybe require two or three different
>>> free services to be used would be the best approach.
>>>
>>> bobb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Ross
>>>> <andrew.ross at eclipse.org <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Bob,
>>>>
>>>> Some of this may be things you & others may already know.
>>>>
>>>> The 15 minute limit is quickly waived if you ask for it &
>>>> even automatically in a lot of cases. Google it & you'll see
>>>> info about this.
>>>>
>>>> For what it's worth, videos in YouTube can be shared
>>>> trivially via. email or social media and embedded into any
>>>> external site. This is very common and a good idea.
>>>>
>>>> Additionally, in my opinion, within YouTube, it is best
>>>> practice to complete meta data for the video (talk title,
>>>> description) and tag the videos with keywords (project,
>>>> topic, technology, event, etc.) This makes them a lot easier
>>>> to find and relate to other talks shared by other people on
>>>> the same topics.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> A
>>>>
>>>> On 21/09/15 10:53, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I like to think of these types of media as a Library of
>>>>> sorts. And keeping them available is in the best interests
>>>>> of the community. I have no way of calculating the benefits
>>>>> however.
>>>>>
>>>>> Back to Youtube uploading complication (as I see them),
>>>>> there are defaults like 15min length, etc. Things that the
>>>>> average joe may have problems with as far as uploading
>>>>> something. The limit can be increased, but that would
>>>>> require a media lib rain of some sort to manage the account.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, how would/could the process of indexing and binding to
>>>>> projects be best accomplished with YouTube? Via an outside
>>>>> database, or?? I ask this now since it’s seems relevant if
>>>>> this topic leads to it’s logical conclusion of bringing
>>>>> media together into a single repository.
>>>>>
>>>>> bobb
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Fenoy Gerald
>>>>>> <gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr <mailto:gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David,
>>>>>> I personally feel that it is better to react than doing
>>>>>> nothing,even if,as you said "the technology is moving
>>>>>> fast", still many did so amazing work that we should keep
>>>>>> trace of it …
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nevertheless, I wonder if we can ask so much work to our so
>>>>>> loved SAC community without expensing at least a small
>>>>>> amount of money …Sorry I know I spoke too much about it
>>>>>> during this week, but still … if our president deserve to
>>>>>> have some income, SAC do deserve also !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what will be the next move exactly, if any ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 20 sept. 2015 à 02:37, David Percy <percyd at pdx.edu
>>>>>>> <mailto:percyd at pdx.edu>> a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems like we should have a permanent archive on our
>>>>>>> own servers, in addition to a public consumption interface
>>>>>>> like one of the services we have been discussing.
>>>>>>> This starts to get into a long term digital stewardship
>>>>>>> issue. We need to perhaps have a longer view... With
>>>>>>> content tags and stuff. But not so difficult that it
>>>>>>> becomes a task that is hard to manage, and therefore never
>>>>>>> gets done. Maybe a simple CMS... Aren't we using drupal
>>>>>>> already?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless we think these talks are more ephemeral due to the
>>>>>>> rapidly changing technology.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In which case we can leave the issue in the more ad hoc
>>>>>>> status that it is, and just let each LOC deal with it.
>>>>>>> Just a thought,
>>>>>>> Percy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Steven Feldman
>>>>>>> <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I don’t see $200/year of value in Vimeo. Surely we want
>>>>>>> our content to have the widest possible real, won’t that
>>>>>>> come through YouTube?
>>>>>>> ______
>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 03:10, Andrew Ross
>>>>>>>> <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>>>>>>>> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are creative commons licensed and downloading is
>>>>>>>> trivial. Just landed returning from Seoul so I'll post
>>>>>>>> how to do so tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On September 18, 2015 5:43:49 PM EDT, "Basques, Bob
>>>>>>>> (CI-StPaul)" <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>>>>>> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a problem with the YouTube License. Once it’s up
>>>>>>>> there, they get to use it however they want, forever.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, I (still) don’t see a method for downloading
>>>>>>>> anything for saving as a local copy from YouTube (at
>>>>>>>> least not legally).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vimeo let’s you download/copy, and even pick who sees
>>>>>>>> your content., etc. I’ll be the first to admit though,
>>>>>>>> that not everyone will care about this, until they do,
>>>>>>>> and then it will be too late.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> bobb
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Ross
>>>>>>>>> <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> YouTube has a much bigger community, is free, and the
>>>>>>>>> search/indexing can't be beat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like Vimeo, have used it a fair amount, but this is no
>>>>>>>>> contest.. YouTube wins imho.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On September 18, 2015 11:06:30 AM PDT, Steven Feldman
>>>>>>>>> <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Is Vimeo preferred to YouTube? Why?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andrew Ross post 90+ 2013 videos on YouTube at zero cost
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +44 (0) 7958 924101 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207958%20924101>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 18 Sep 2015, at 18:57, Darrell Fuhriman
>>>>>>>>> <darrell at garnix.org <mailto:darrell at garnix.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aww crap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Our vimeo pro account expired, and apparently that took
>>>>>>>>> some of the videos offline. I didn’t think that was
>>>>>>>>> going to happen — I guess I mis-read the consequences.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FWIW, I think OSGeo should keep this account up and
>>>>>>>>> consolidate all the foss4g videos there (including the
>>>>>>>>> forthcoming 2015).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Board: is this a service that OSGeo is willing to pay
>>>>>>>>> for? It’s $200/year.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Darrell
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:11, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>>>>>>>> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Edit . . .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oops, I mean just FOSS4G. Looks like a few of the
>>>>>>>>> videos that were on Vimeo have gone missing, besides
>>>>>>>>> mine. At least based on the links from here: Maybe
>>>>>>>>> something has changed on Vimeo??
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://2014.foss4g.org/schedule/sessions/index.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bobb
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>>>>>>>> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’m looking for the Keeper of the conference videos from
>>>>>>>>> FOSS4GNA PDX (2014)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I see a lot of them on Vimeo, but the one I did seems to
>>>>>>>>> be missing. It used to be there. Unless I’m using a
>>>>>>>>> bad search filter . . .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bobb
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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