[OSGeo-Conf] Looking for the keeper of the videos from FOSS4GNA- PDX (2014)
Kristin Bott
bottk at reed.edu
Wed Sep 23 14:37:49 PDT 2015
Just adding another voice to the "the $200 is worth it" -- I've shared
those videos w/ students as part of their intro to not just geospatial
things, but also open source in general (Novotny), data visualization and
(tool) design (Bostock), as well as how data can be important outside of
'just' science and / or academia (Shaw).
I have no particular pull here, but it seems like $200 is a tiny sum in
favor of a larger greater good (and increased visibility for FOSS4G, which
seems to be the biggest public moment for OSGeo).
-k.bott
On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Peter Batty <peter at ebatty.com> wrote:
> Hi Jeff, yes I'd support doing that. If you are willing to make the motion
> that would be great. I think it's an important part of OSGeo's mission to
> keep these videos online - from what several of us have heard from
> different sources, people see them as valuable. I think $200 is a small
> amount in the scheme of things, and this buys us some time to figure out
> our longer term solution.
>
> Cheers,
> Peter.
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Jeff McKenna <
> jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree Peter. Do you think this calls for a Board vote now, to approve
>> the $200 payment from the OSGeo Treasurer? Let me know and I will start
>> that vote if needed.
>>
>> -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2015-09-23 5:51 PM, Peter Batty wrote:
>>
>>> I also got an email from a friend who teaches some college courses and
>>> he said that he regularly makes use of this material and would really
>>> like to see it back online asap. I think we should seriously consider
>>> spending the $200 to reinstate the videos in the short term (for one
>>> more year) while we figure out a longer term strategy.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Sara Safavi <sara at sarasafavi.com
>>> <mailto:sara at sarasafavi.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all --
>>>
>>> I'll leave the discussion over service and account decisions to
>>> others, but until the issue is settled is it possible for us to
>>> retrieve old Vimeo-hosted videos (download, etc), or are they lost
>>> in the ether until the account is renewed?
>>>
>>> I ask because, coincidentally to this thread, last week I had
>>> someone randomly find my presentation page from FOSS4G 2014 online.
>>> They emailed to let me know the video was 404ing, and ask if by
>>> chance I had another source for it (unfortunately I don't).
>>> Interesting coincidence, and one that could easily affect more than
>>> just myself & my PDX talk.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sara
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Steven Feldman
>>> <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Any proposal needs to be sustainable in terms of costs and
>>> volunteer time (e.g. for recording, uploading indexing etc).
>>> Using multiple services is going to become very cumbersome and
>>> is unlikely to be sustainable in my opinion unless the video
>>> volunteers have a lot of time available.
>>>
>>> Whilst an archive is a nice to have most of the presentations at
>>> FOSS4G have a limited shelf life and we need to balance the
>>> effort involved in having downloadable archives with the
>>> likelihood of them ever being used and the cost of maintaining
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>> ______
>>> Steven
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21 Sep 2015, at 17:01, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>>> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (I’m not allow to post to the CONF list, should we take this
>>>> to the GENERAL list)
>>>>
>>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>>
>>>> But how to enforce that type of indexing/tagging operation.
>>>>
>>>> No big argument on any of your listed capabilities below, only
>>>> that they are not obviously made known by the YouTube
>>>> service. I’ve known for a long time how to download from
>>>> YouTube, but it’s also not as plain of an explanation how to
>>>> do so as on other sites.
>>>>
>>>> Youtube seems to not focus on sharing the actual content, even
>>>> though they may allow it. And I’m not totally convince, after
>>>> I went back and read their usage agreement again. Still a
>>>> little foggy on the reuse aspects.
>>>>
>>>> I guess this topic would be best settled by using more than on
>>>> service as a repository. Maybe require two or three different
>>>> free services to be used would be the best approach.
>>>>
>>>> bobb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Ross
>>>>> <andrew.ross at eclipse.org <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Bob,
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of this may be things you & others may already know.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 15 minute limit is quickly waived if you ask for it &
>>>>> even automatically in a lot of cases. Google it & you'll see
>>>>> info about this.
>>>>>
>>>>> For what it's worth, videos in YouTube can be shared
>>>>> trivially via. email or social media and embedded into any
>>>>> external site. This is very common and a good idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> Additionally, in my opinion, within YouTube, it is best
>>>>> practice to complete meta data for the video (talk title,
>>>>> description) and tag the videos with keywords (project,
>>>>> topic, technology, event, etc.) This makes them a lot easier
>>>>> to find and relate to other talks shared by other people on
>>>>> the same topics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> A
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21/09/15 10:53, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like to think of these types of media as a Library of
>>>>>> sorts. And keeping them available is in the best interests
>>>>>> of the community. I have no way of calculating the benefits
>>>>>> however.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back to Youtube uploading complication (as I see them),
>>>>>> there are defaults like 15min length, etc. Things that the
>>>>>> average joe may have problems with as far as uploading
>>>>>> something. The limit can be increased, but that would
>>>>>> require a media lib rain of some sort to manage the account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, how would/could the process of indexing and binding to
>>>>>> projects be best accomplished with YouTube? Via an outside
>>>>>> database, or?? I ask this now since it’s seems relevant if
>>>>>> this topic leads to it’s logical conclusion of bringing
>>>>>> media together into a single repository.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bobb
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Fenoy Gerald
>>>>>>> <gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr <mailto:gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David,
>>>>>>> I personally feel that it is better to react than doing
>>>>>>> nothing,even if,as you said "the technology is moving
>>>>>>> fast", still many did so amazing work that we should keep
>>>>>>> trace of it …
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nevertheless, I wonder if we can ask so much work to our so
>>>>>>> loved SAC community without expensing at least a small
>>>>>>> amount of money …Sorry I know I spoke too much about it
>>>>>>> during this week, but still … if our president deserve to
>>>>>>> have some income, SAC do deserve also !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what will be the next move exactly, if any ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 20 sept. 2015 à 02:37, David Percy <percyd at pdx.edu
>>>>>>>> <mailto:percyd at pdx.edu>> a écrit :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It seems like we should have a permanent archive on our
>>>>>>>> own servers, in addition to a public consumption interface
>>>>>>>> like one of the services we have been discussing.
>>>>>>>> This starts to get into a long term digital stewardship
>>>>>>>> issue. We need to perhaps have a longer view... With
>>>>>>>> content tags and stuff. But not so difficult that it
>>>>>>>> becomes a task that is hard to manage, and therefore never
>>>>>>>> gets done. Maybe a simple CMS... Aren't we using drupal
>>>>>>>> already?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless we think these talks are more ephemeral due to the
>>>>>>>> rapidly changing technology.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In which case we can leave the issue in the more ad hoc
>>>>>>>> status that it is, and just let each LOC deal with it.
>>>>>>>> Just a thought,
>>>>>>>> Percy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Steven Feldman
>>>>>>>> <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I don’t see $200/year of value in Vimeo. Surely we want
>>>>>>>> our content to have the widest possible real, won’t that
>>>>>>>> come through YouTube?
>>>>>>>> ______
>>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 19 Sep 2015, at 03:10, Andrew Ross
>>>>>>>>> <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are creative commons licensed and downloading is
>>>>>>>>> trivial. Just landed returning from Seoul so I'll post
>>>>>>>>> how to do so tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On September 18, 2015 5:43:49 PM EDT, "Basques, Bob
>>>>>>>>> (CI-StPaul)" <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Andrew,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a problem with the YouTube License. Once it’s up
>>>>>>>>> there, they get to use it however they want, forever.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, I (still) don’t see a method for downloading
>>>>>>>>> anything for saving as a local copy from YouTube (at
>>>>>>>>> least not legally).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vimeo let’s you download/copy, and even pick who sees
>>>>>>>>> your content., etc. I’ll be the first to admit though,
>>>>>>>>> that not everyone will care about this, until they do,
>>>>>>>>> and then it will be too late.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bobb
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Andrew Ross
>>>>>>>>>> <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> YouTube has a much bigger community, is free, and the
>>>>>>>>>> search/indexing can't be beat.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I like Vimeo, have used it a fair amount, but this is no
>>>>>>>>>> contest.. YouTube wins imho.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On September 18, 2015 11:06:30 AM PDT, Steven Feldman
>>>>>>>>>> <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Is Vimeo preferred to YouTube? Why?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Ross post 90+ 2013 videos on YouTube at zero cost
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>> Steven
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> +44 (0) 7958 924101 <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207958%20924101>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Sep 2015, at 18:57, Darrell Fuhriman
>>>>>>>>>> <darrell at garnix.org <mailto:darrell at garnix.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Aww crap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Our vimeo pro account expired, and apparently that took
>>>>>>>>>> some of the videos offline. I didn’t think that was
>>>>>>>>>> going to happen — I guess I mis-read the consequences.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, I think OSGeo should keep this account up and
>>>>>>>>>> consolidate all the foss4g videos there (including the
>>>>>>>>>> forthcoming 2015).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Board: is this a service that OSGeo is willing to pay
>>>>>>>>>> for? It’s $200/year.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Darrell
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 10:11, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>>>>>>>>> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Edit . . .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oops, I mean just FOSS4G. Looks like a few of the
>>>>>>>>>> videos that were on Vimeo have gone missing, besides
>>>>>>>>>> mine. At least based on the links from here: Maybe
>>>>>>>>>> something has changed on Vimeo??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://2014.foss4g.org/schedule/sessions/index.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bobb
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>>>>>>>>>> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I’m looking for the Keeper of the conference videos from
>>>>>>>>>> FOSS4GNA PDX (2014)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I see a lot of them on Vimeo, but the one I did seems to
>>>>>>>>>> be missing. It used to be there. Unless I’m using a
>>>>>>>>>> bad search filter . . .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> bobb
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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