[OSGeo-Conf] Looking for the keeper of the videos from FOSS4GNA- PDX (2014)

Jeff McKenna jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
Wed Sep 23 14:44:36 PDT 2015


Ok agreed Peter and Kristin, I will start a motion now.  I fully agree 
with you both.


-jeff



On 2015-09-23 6:37 PM, Kristin Bott wrote:
> Just adding another voice to the "the $200 is worth it" -- I've shared
> those videos w/ students as part of their intro to not just geospatial
> things, but also open source in general (Novotny), data visualization
> and (tool) design (Bostock), as well as how data can be important
> outside of 'just' science and / or academia (Shaw).
>
> I have no particular pull here, but it seems like $200 is a tiny sum in
> favor of a larger greater good (and increased visibility for FOSS4G,
> which seems to be the biggest public moment for OSGeo).
>
> -k.bott
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Peter Batty <peter at ebatty.com
> <mailto:peter at ebatty.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Jeff, yes I'd support doing that. If you are willing to make the
>     motion that would be great. I think it's an important part of
>     OSGeo's mission to keep these videos online - from what several of
>     us have heard from different sources, people see them as valuable. I
>     think $200 is a small amount in the scheme of things, and this buys
>     us some time to figure out our longer term solution.
>
>     Cheers,
>          Peter.
>
>     On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Jeff McKenna
>     <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>     <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>> wrote:
>
>         I agree Peter. Do you think this calls for a Board vote now, to
>         approve the $200 payment from the OSGeo Treasurer?  Let me know
>         and I will start that vote if needed.
>
>         -jeff
>
>
>
>         On 2015-09-23 5:51 PM, Peter Batty wrote:
>
>             I also got an email from a friend who teaches some college
>             courses and
>             he said that he regularly makes use of this material and
>             would really
>             like to see it back online asap. I think we should seriously
>             consider
>             spending the $200 to reinstate the videos in the short term
>             (for one
>             more year) while we figure out a longer term strategy.
>
>             On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Sara Safavi
>             <sara at sarasafavi.com <mailto:sara at sarasafavi.com>
>             <mailto:sara at sarasafavi.com <mailto:sara at sarasafavi.com>>>
>             wrote:
>
>                  Hi all --
>
>                  I'll leave the discussion over service and account
>             decisions to
>                  others, but until the issue is settled is it possible
>             for us to
>                  retrieve old Vimeo-hosted videos (download, etc), or
>             are they lost
>                  in the ether until the account is renewed?
>
>                  I ask because, coincidentally to this thread, last week
>             I had
>                  someone randomly find my presentation page from FOSS4G
>             2014 online.
>                  They emailed to let me know the video was 404ing, and
>             ask if by
>                  chance I had another source for it (unfortunately I don't).
>                  Interesting coincidence, and one that could easily
>             affect more than
>                  just myself & my PDX talk.
>
>                  Cheers,
>                  Sara
>
>                  On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Steven Feldman
>                  <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>
>             <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>>>
>             wrote:
>
>                      Bob
>
>                      Any proposal needs to be sustainable in terms of
>             costs and
>                      volunteer time (e.g. for recording, uploading
>             indexing etc).
>                      Using multiple services is going to become very
>             cumbersome and
>                      is unlikely to be sustainable in my opinion unless
>             the video
>                      volunteers have a lot of time available.
>
>                      Whilst an archive is a nice to have most of the
>             presentations at
>                      FOSS4G have a limited shelf life and we need to
>             balance the
>                      effort involved in having downloadable archives
>             with the
>                      likelihood of them ever being used and the cost of
>             maintaining them.
>
>
>                      ______
>                      Steven
>
>
>                          On 21 Sep 2015, at 17:01, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>                          <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>                 <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>                          <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>                 <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>> wrote:
>
>                          (I’m not allow to post to the CONF list, should
>                 we take this
>                          to the GENERAL list)
>
>                          Hi Andrew,
>
>                          But how to enforce that type of
>                 indexing/tagging operation.
>
>                          No big argument on any of your listed
>                 capabilities below, only
>                          that they are not obviously made known by the
>                 YouTube
>                          service.  I’ve known for a long time how to
>                 download from
>                          YouTube, but it’s also not as plain of an
>                 explanation how to
>                          do so as on other sites.
>
>                          Youtube seems to not focus on sharing the
>                 actual content, even
>                          though they may allow it.  And I’m not totally
>                 convince, after
>                          I went back and read their usage agreement
>                 again.  Still a
>                          little foggy on the reuse aspects.
>
>                          I guess this topic would be best settled by
>                 using more than on
>                          service as a repository.  Maybe require two or
>                 three different
>                          free services to be used would be the best
>                 approach.
>
>                          bobb
>
>
>
>
>                              On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Ross
>                              <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>                     <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>
>                     <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>                     <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>>> wrote:
>
>                              Dear Bob,
>
>                              Some of this may be things you & others may
>                     already know.
>
>                              The 15 minute limit is quickly waived if
>                     you ask for it &
>                              even automatically in a lot of cases.
>                     Google it & you'll see
>                              info about this.
>
>                              For what it's worth, videos in YouTube can
>                     be shared
>                              trivially via. email or social media and
>                     embedded into any
>                              external site. This is very common and a
>                     good idea.
>
>                              Additionally, in my opinion, within
>                     YouTube, it is best
>                              practice to complete meta data for the
>                     video (talk title,
>                              description) and tag the videos with
>                     keywords (project,
>                              topic, technology, event, etc.) This makes
>                     them a lot easier
>                              to find and relate to other talks shared by
>                     other people on
>                              the same topics.
>
>                              Kind regards,
>
>                              A
>
>                              On 21/09/15 10:53, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>                     wrote:
>
>                                  All,
>
>                                  I like to think of these types of media
>                         as a Library of
>                                  sorts.  And keeping them available is
>                         in the best interests
>                                  of the community.  I have no way of
>                         calculating the benefits
>                                  however.
>
>                                  Back to Youtube uploading complication
>                         (as I see them),
>                                  there are defaults like 15min length,
>                         etc.  Things that the
>                                  average joe may have problems with as
>                         far as uploading
>                                  something. The limit can be increased,
>                         but that would
>                                  require a media lib rain of some sort
>                         to manage the account.
>
>                                  Also, how would/could the process of
>                         indexing and binding to
>                                  projects be best accomplished with
>                         YouTube?  Via an outside
>                                  database, or??  I ask this now since
>                         it’s seems relevant if
>                                  this topic leads to it’s logical
>                         conclusion of bringing
>                                  media together into a single repository.
>
>                                  bobb
>
>
>                                      On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Fenoy
>                             Gerald
>                                      <gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr
>                             <mailto:gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr>
>                             <mailto:gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr
>                             <mailto:gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr>>>
>                                      wrote:
>
>                                      David,
>                                      I personally feel that it is better
>                             to react than doing
>                                      nothing,even if,as you said "the
>                             technology is moving
>                                      fast", still many did so amazing
>                             work that we should keep
>                                      trace of it …
>
>                                      Nevertheless, I wonder if we can
>                             ask so much work to our so
>                                      loved SAC community without
>                             expensing at least a small
>                                      amount of money …Sorry I know I
>                             spoke too much about it
>                                      during this week, but still … if
>                             our president deserve to
>                                      have some income, SAC do deserve also !
>
>                                      So what will be the next move
>                             exactly, if any ?
>
>                                          Le 20 sept. 2015 à 02:37, David
>                                 Percy <percyd at pdx.edu
>                                 <mailto:percyd at pdx.edu>
>                                          <mailto:percyd at pdx.edu
>                                 <mailto:percyd at pdx.edu>>> a écrit :
>
>                                          It seems like we should have a
>                                 permanent archive on our
>                                          own servers, in addition to a
>                                 public consumption interface
>                                          like one of the services we
>                                 have been discussing.
>                                          This starts to get into a long
>                                 term digital stewardship
>                                          issue. We need to perhaps have
>                                 a longer view... With
>                                          content tags and stuff. But not
>                                 so difficult that it
>                                          becomes a task that is hard to
>                                 manage, and therefore never
>                                          gets done. Maybe a simple
>                                 CMS... Aren't we using drupal
>                                          already?
>
>                                          Unless we think these talks are
>                                 more ephemeral due to the
>                                          rapidly changing technology.
>
>                                          In which case we can leave the
>                                 issue in the more ad hoc
>                                          status that it is, and just let
>                                 each LOC deal with it.
>                                          Just a thought,
>                                          Percy
>
>
>                                          On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 7:21
>                                 AM, Steven Feldman
>                                          <shfeldman at gmail.com
>                                 <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>
>                                 <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com
>                                 <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>                                          I don’t see $200/year of value
>                                 in Vimeo. Surely we want
>                                          our content to have the widest
>                                 possible real, won’t that
>                                          come through YouTube?
>                                          ______
>                                          Steven
>
>
>                                              On 19 Sep 2015, at 03:10,
>                                     Andrew Ross
>                                              <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>                                     <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>
>
>                                     <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>                                     <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>>>
>                                     wrote:
>
>                                              Bob,
>
>                                              They are creative commons
>                                     licensed and downloading is
>                                              trivial. Just landed
>                                     returning from Seoul so I'll post
>                                              how to do so tomorrow.
>
>                                              Kind regards,
>
>                                              A
>
>                                              On September 18, 2015
>                                     5:43:49 PM EDT, "Basques, Bob
>                                              (CI-StPaul)"
>                                     <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>                                     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>
>                                     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>                                     <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>>
>                                     wrote:
>                                              Andrew,
>
>                                              I have a problem with the
>                                     YouTube License.  Once it’s up
>                                              there, they get to use it
>                                     however they want, forever.
>
>                                              Also, I (still) don’t see a
>                                     method for downloading
>                                              anything for saving as a
>                                     local copy from YouTube (at
>                                              least not legally).
>
>                                              Vimeo let’s you
>                                     download/copy, and even pick who sees
>                                              your content., etc.  I’ll
>                                     be the first to admit though,
>                                              that not everyone will care
>                                     about this, until they do,
>                                              and then it will be too late.
>
>                                              bobb
>
>
>
>
>                                                  On Sep 18, 2015, at
>                                         2:52 PM, Andrew Ross
>
>                                         <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>                                         <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>
>
>                                         <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org
>                                         <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>>>
>                                         wrote:
>
>                                                  YouTube has a much
>                                         bigger community, is free, and the
>                                                  search/indexing can't
>                                         be beat.
>
>                                                  I like Vimeo, have used
>                                         it a fair amount, but this is no
>                                                  contest.. YouTube wins
>                                         imho.
>
>                                                  A
>
>                                                  On September 18, 2015
>                                         11:06:30 AM PDT, Steven Feldman
>                                                  <shfeldman at gmail.com
>                                         <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>
>                                         <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com
>                                         <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>>>
>                                         wrote:
>                                                  Is Vimeo preferred to
>                                         YouTube? Why?
>
>                                                  Andrew Ross post 90+
>                                         2013 videos on YouTube at zero cost
>
>                                                  Regards
>                                                  Steven
>
>
>                                         +44 (0) 7958 924101
>                                         <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207958%20924101>
>                                         <tel:%2B44%20%280%29%207958%20924101>
>                                                  Sent from my iPhone
>
>                                                  On 18 Sep 2015, at
>                                         18:57, Darrell Fuhriman
>                                                  <darrell at garnix.org
>                                         <mailto:darrell at garnix.org>
>                                         <mailto:darrell at garnix.org
>                                         <mailto:darrell at garnix.org>>> wrote:
>
>                                                  Aww crap.
>
>                                                  Our vimeo pro account
>                                         expired, and apparently that took
>                                                  some of the videos
>                                         offline. I didn’t think that was
>                                                  going to happen — I
>                                         guess I mis-read the consequences.
>
>                                                  FWIW, I think OSGeo
>                                         should keep this account up and
>                                                  consolidate all the
>                                         foss4g videos there (including the
>                                                  forthcoming 2015).
>
>                                                  Board: is this a
>                                         service that OSGeo is willing to pay
>                                                  for? It’s $200/year.
>
>                                                  Darrell
>
>
>
>                                                  On Sep 18, 2015, at
>                                         10:11, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>
>                                         <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>                                         <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>
>                                         <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>                                         <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>>
>                                         wrote:
>
>                                                  Edit . . .
>
>                                                  Oops, I mean just
>                                         FOSS4G.   Looks like a few of the
>                                                  videos that were on
>                                         Vimeo have gone missing, besides
>                                                  mine.  At least based
>                                         on the links from here:  Maybe
>                                                  something has changed
>                                         on Vimeo??
>
>                                         http://2014.foss4g.org/schedule/sessions/index.html
>
>
>
>                                                  bobb
>
>
>
>                                                  On Sep 18, 2015, at
>                                         11:47 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>
>                                         <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>                                         <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>
>                                         <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
>                                         <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>>
>                                         wrote:
>
>                                                  All,
>
>                                                  I’m looking for the
>                                         Keeper of the conference videos from
>                                                  FOSS4GNA PDX (2014)
>
>                                                  I see a lot of them on
>                                         Vimeo, but the one I did seems to
>                                                  be missing.  It used to
>                                         be there.  Unless I’m using a
>                                                  bad search filter . . .
>
>
>                                                  Thanks
>
>                                                  bobb
>
>
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