[OSGeo-Conf] Looking for the keeper of the videos from FOSS4GNA- PDX (2014)
Jeff McKenna
jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
Wed Sep 23 14:44:36 PDT 2015
Ok agreed Peter and Kristin, I will start a motion now. I fully agree
with you both.
-jeff
On 2015-09-23 6:37 PM, Kristin Bott wrote:
> Just adding another voice to the "the $200 is worth it" -- I've shared
> those videos w/ students as part of their intro to not just geospatial
> things, but also open source in general (Novotny), data visualization
> and (tool) design (Bostock), as well as how data can be important
> outside of 'just' science and / or academia (Shaw).
>
> I have no particular pull here, but it seems like $200 is a tiny sum in
> favor of a larger greater good (and increased visibility for FOSS4G,
> which seems to be the biggest public moment for OSGeo).
>
> -k.bott
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Peter Batty <peter at ebatty.com
> <mailto:peter at ebatty.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff, yes I'd support doing that. If you are willing to make the
> motion that would be great. I think it's an important part of
> OSGeo's mission to keep these videos online - from what several of
> us have heard from different sources, people see them as valuable. I
> think $200 is a small amount in the scheme of things, and this buys
> us some time to figure out our longer term solution.
>
> Cheers,
> Peter.
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Jeff McKenna
> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
> <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>> wrote:
>
> I agree Peter. Do you think this calls for a Board vote now, to
> approve the $200 payment from the OSGeo Treasurer? Let me know
> and I will start that vote if needed.
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
> On 2015-09-23 5:51 PM, Peter Batty wrote:
>
> I also got an email from a friend who teaches some college
> courses and
> he said that he regularly makes use of this material and
> would really
> like to see it back online asap. I think we should seriously
> consider
> spending the $200 to reinstate the videos in the short term
> (for one
> more year) while we figure out a longer term strategy.
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 12:47 PM, Sara Safavi
> <sara at sarasafavi.com <mailto:sara at sarasafavi.com>
> <mailto:sara at sarasafavi.com <mailto:sara at sarasafavi.com>>>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all --
>
> I'll leave the discussion over service and account
> decisions to
> others, but until the issue is settled is it possible
> for us to
> retrieve old Vimeo-hosted videos (download, etc), or
> are they lost
> in the ether until the account is renewed?
>
> I ask because, coincidentally to this thread, last week
> I had
> someone randomly find my presentation page from FOSS4G
> 2014 online.
> They emailed to let me know the video was 404ing, and
> ask if by
> chance I had another source for it (unfortunately I don't).
> Interesting coincidence, and one that could easily
> affect more than
> just myself & my PDX talk.
>
> Cheers,
> Sara
>
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Steven Feldman
> <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>
> <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
>
> Bob
>
> Any proposal needs to be sustainable in terms of
> costs and
> volunteer time (e.g. for recording, uploading
> indexing etc).
> Using multiple services is going to become very
> cumbersome and
> is unlikely to be sustainable in my opinion unless
> the video
> volunteers have a lot of time available.
>
> Whilst an archive is a nice to have most of the
> presentations at
> FOSS4G have a limited shelf life and we need to
> balance the
> effort involved in having downloadable archives
> with the
> likelihood of them ever being used and the cost of
> maintaining them.
>
>
> ______
> Steven
>
>
> On 21 Sep 2015, at 17:01, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>> wrote:
>
> (I’m not allow to post to the CONF list, should
> we take this
> to the GENERAL list)
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> But how to enforce that type of
> indexing/tagging operation.
>
> No big argument on any of your listed
> capabilities below, only
> that they are not obviously made known by the
> YouTube
> service. I’ve known for a long time how to
> download from
> YouTube, but it’s also not as plain of an
> explanation how to
> do so as on other sites.
>
> Youtube seems to not focus on sharing the
> actual content, even
> though they may allow it. And I’m not totally
> convince, after
> I went back and read their usage agreement
> again. Still a
> little foggy on the reuse aspects.
>
> I guess this topic would be best settled by
> using more than on
> service as a repository. Maybe require two or
> three different
> free services to be used would be the best
> approach.
>
> bobb
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:23 AM, Andrew Ross
> <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>
> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org
> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>>> wrote:
>
> Dear Bob,
>
> Some of this may be things you & others may
> already know.
>
> The 15 minute limit is quickly waived if
> you ask for it &
> even automatically in a lot of cases.
> Google it & you'll see
> info about this.
>
> For what it's worth, videos in YouTube can
> be shared
> trivially via. email or social media and
> embedded into any
> external site. This is very common and a
> good idea.
>
> Additionally, in my opinion, within
> YouTube, it is best
> practice to complete meta data for the
> video (talk title,
> description) and tag the videos with
> keywords (project,
> topic, technology, event, etc.) This makes
> them a lot easier
> to find and relate to other talks shared by
> other people on
> the same topics.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> A
>
> On 21/09/15 10:53, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I like to think of these types of media
> as a Library of
> sorts. And keeping them available is
> in the best interests
> of the community. I have no way of
> calculating the benefits
> however.
>
> Back to Youtube uploading complication
> (as I see them),
> there are defaults like 15min length,
> etc. Things that the
> average joe may have problems with as
> far as uploading
> something. The limit can be increased,
> but that would
> require a media lib rain of some sort
> to manage the account.
>
> Also, how would/could the process of
> indexing and binding to
> projects be best accomplished with
> YouTube? Via an outside
> database, or?? I ask this now since
> it’s seems relevant if
> this topic leads to it’s logical
> conclusion of bringing
> media together into a single repository.
>
> bobb
>
>
> On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Fenoy
> Gerald
> <gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr
> <mailto:gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr>
> <mailto:gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr
> <mailto:gerald.fenoy at geolabs.fr>>>
> wrote:
>
> David,
> I personally feel that it is better
> to react than doing
> nothing,even if,as you said "the
> technology is moving
> fast", still many did so amazing
> work that we should keep
> trace of it …
>
> Nevertheless, I wonder if we can
> ask so much work to our so
> loved SAC community without
> expensing at least a small
> amount of money …Sorry I know I
> spoke too much about it
> during this week, but still … if
> our president deserve to
> have some income, SAC do deserve also !
>
> So what will be the next move
> exactly, if any ?
>
> Le 20 sept. 2015 à 02:37, David
> Percy <percyd at pdx.edu
> <mailto:percyd at pdx.edu>
> <mailto:percyd at pdx.edu
> <mailto:percyd at pdx.edu>>> a écrit :
>
> It seems like we should have a
> permanent archive on our
> own servers, in addition to a
> public consumption interface
> like one of the services we
> have been discussing.
> This starts to get into a long
> term digital stewardship
> issue. We need to perhaps have
> a longer view... With
> content tags and stuff. But not
> so difficult that it
> becomes a task that is hard to
> manage, and therefore never
> gets done. Maybe a simple
> CMS... Aren't we using drupal
> already?
>
> Unless we think these talks are
> more ephemeral due to the
> rapidly changing technology.
>
> In which case we can leave the
> issue in the more ad hoc
> status that it is, and just let
> each LOC deal with it.
> Just a thought,
> Percy
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 7:21
> AM, Steven Feldman
> <shfeldman at gmail.com
> <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>
> <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com
> <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> I don’t see $200/year of value
> in Vimeo. Surely we want
> our content to have the widest
> possible real, won’t that
> come through YouTube?
> ______
> Steven
>
>
> On 19 Sep 2015, at 03:10,
> Andrew Ross
> <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>
>
> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org
> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>>>
> wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> They are creative commons
> licensed and downloading is
> trivial. Just landed
> returning from Seoul so I'll post
> how to do so tomorrow.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> A
>
> On September 18, 2015
> 5:43:49 PM EDT, "Basques, Bob
> (CI-StPaul)"
> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>
> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>>
> wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> I have a problem with the
> YouTube License. Once it’s up
> there, they get to use it
> however they want, forever.
>
> Also, I (still) don’t see a
> method for downloading
> anything for saving as a
> local copy from YouTube (at
> least not legally).
>
> Vimeo let’s you
> download/copy, and even pick who sees
> your content., etc. I’ll
> be the first to admit though,
> that not everyone will care
> about this, until they do,
> and then it will be too late.
>
> bobb
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2015, at
> 2:52 PM, Andrew Ross
>
> <andrew.ross at eclipse.org
> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>
>
> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org
> <mailto:andrew.ross at eclipse.org>>>
> wrote:
>
> YouTube has a much
> bigger community, is free, and the
> search/indexing can't
> be beat.
>
> I like Vimeo, have used
> it a fair amount, but this is no
> contest.. YouTube wins
> imho.
>
> A
>
> On September 18, 2015
> 11:06:30 AM PDT, Steven Feldman
> <shfeldman at gmail.com
> <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>
> <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com
> <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> Is Vimeo preferred to
> YouTube? Why?
>
> Andrew Ross post 90+
> 2013 videos on YouTube at zero cost
>
> Regards
> Steven
>
>
> +44 (0) 7958 924101
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> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 18 Sep 2015, at
> 18:57, Darrell Fuhriman
> <darrell at garnix.org
> <mailto:darrell at garnix.org>
> <mailto:darrell at garnix.org
> <mailto:darrell at garnix.org>>> wrote:
>
> Aww crap.
>
> Our vimeo pro account
> expired, and apparently that took
> some of the videos
> offline. I didn’t think that was
> going to happen — I
> guess I mis-read the consequences.
>
> FWIW, I think OSGeo
> should keep this account up and
> consolidate all the
> foss4g videos there (including the
> forthcoming 2015).
>
> Board: is this a
> service that OSGeo is willing to pay
> for? It’s $200/year.
>
> Darrell
>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2015, at
> 10:11, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>
> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>
> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>>
> wrote:
>
> Edit . . .
>
> Oops, I mean just
> FOSS4G. Looks like a few of the
> videos that were on
> Vimeo have gone missing, besides
> mine. At least based
> on the links from here: Maybe
> something has changed
> on Vimeo??
>
> http://2014.foss4g.org/schedule/sessions/index.html
>
>
>
> bobb
>
>
>
> On Sep 18, 2015, at
> 11:47 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul)
>
> <bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>
>
> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us
> <mailto:bob.basques at ci.stpaul.mn.us>>>
> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I’m looking for the
> Keeper of the conference videos from
> FOSS4GNA PDX (2014)
>
> I see a lot of them on
> Vimeo, but the one I did seems to
> be missing. It used to
> be there. Unless I’m using a
> bad search filter . . .
>
>
> Thanks
>
> bobb
>
>
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