[OSGeo-Conf] [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G

Fri May 20 11:22:14 PDT 2016

Hi Till,
No problem - I don't want to take you away from the other more important 
things. I know you must be busy. I'll be responding to the thoughts in 
the other thread soon (time constraints and all that), it's just your 
post came first. :-)

Apologies for not being clear - my points weren't specific to Bonn, and 
please don't feel they were though I can see how that came across.. I do 
realise it's too late to change things there even if there was 
agreement. I was raising them as issues for more general discussion.

Have a great weekend,
Jonathan
(p.s. - I already have my invoice for Bonn, and am quite looking forward 
to it!)

On 20/05/2016 18:17, till.adams at fossgis.de wrote:
> Jonathan,
>
> sorry, must stop thisdiscussion here, there are many other things that 
> have much more pressure and are - in my eyes - more important for us, 
> LOC and FOSS4G 2016 in Bonn.
>
> Neither the T-Shirts nor the bags are part of any further discussion 
> and neither the bags nor the T-Shirts will keep anybody away from 
> attending FOSS4G. Also we already sold our sponsors the possibility to 
> put their stuff into the bags (which is also an important point you 
> should have in mind: without sponsors, prices are much higher, than 
> without bags, never mind where the conference is) . So we are not 
> going to do a big community discussion on that.
> Your choice is attending or not - and/or apply for FOSS4G 2019 and 
> "do" instead of dream ;-)
>
> I also think your thoughts go in the wrong direction - also I am the 
> wrong person to adress. Please read what Steven replied to your email 
> - in my eyes, he mentions all the important points. If you want to 
> start a general discussion about the format of FOSS4G, feel free - but 
> then adress your discussion to ConfCommittee, as Steven lined out. 
> Perhaps there are things that might be changed for 2018 - before the 
> event is given to any LOC.
>
> But nothing to change now for 2016.
>
> Till
>
>
>
>
>
> Am 2016-05-20 19:00, schrieb Jonathan Moules:
>> Hi Till,
>> Thanks for your response and insights. I don't think we can know how
>> many (if any) potential delegates have decided not to go and for what
>> reason without asking, which may be a worthwhile act at some point.
>>
>>  "Anyhow we want to reduce that to an absolute minimum. But knowing
>> our
>>  community, you know that T-Shirets are nearly the most important
>> thing
>>  you receive on a FOSs4G ;-). In general, compared to the other costs,
>>  the conference bag will be around 5 % of the total fee. So not really
>>  worth talking about that."
>>
>> I'm afraid I must disagree: a 5% saving is €25-€35 per delegate,
>> and it adds up if there are other places savings can be found.
>> I'd also ask whether anyone has asked the community whether they want
>> the "free" T-shirts etc, rather than make the assumption they do? If
>> you sold the shirts at the conference then you'd have another
>> potential income source and could reduce the fees for those who do not
>> wish to have a t-shirt. Personally if I wanted a t-shirt, I'd buy a
>> t-shirt, I'm pretty conventional like that. :-)
>>
>>  "But if you hire WCCB you have to choose the one possible caterer."
>> Maybe this is something worth considering for future venue bids: are
>> the costs surrounding the venue also competitive? It sounds like in
>> this case (and I suspect it's probably fairly common in the industry)
>> they're using the venue as a loss-leader and making up the difference
>> on the other costs (like food).
>>
>>  "Don't forget people from other continents. You as European *could*
>> take the train, Sanghee from Seoul could, but would take him some
>> weeks I guess ;-) !"
>> I hear the trans-Siberian railway is very pleasant. :-)
>> But yes low-cost over-land travel isn't an option for long-distance
>> conferences. Fortunately FOSS4G changes continent so delegates can
>> choose if they're willing to go trans-continental or not. On top of
>> that, for certain sectors, delegates are *never* going to travel that
>> far anyway (local govt especially). I think the airfare costs are a
>> red-herring - they're another choice the delegates can choose.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Jonathan
>>
>> ---- On Fri, 13 May 2016 11:46:45 +0100 <TILL.ADAMS at FOSS4G2016.ORG>
>> wrote ----
>>
>>> Dear Jonathan,
>>>
>>> some good points and some comments from me inline. Before that, I
>>> must
>>> really say, that I do not think, that our fees are exceptional high
>>> and
>>> that the fees are really the problem that preclude many of
>>> attendees.
>>> But I started this discussion, so I will give some comments (also
>>> knowing that doing something always brings people into the arena,
>>> that
>>> have different meanings).
>>>
>>> But I also reduce the "CC"'s to the converence dev-list. Feel free
>>> to
>>> share elsewhere ;-)
>>>
>>>> I suppose I'd ask two questions of any given element of a
>>> conference -
>>>> Is it necessary, and how much should it cost? Conference centres
>>> are
>>>> very expensive, this much is clear, but does FOSS4G really need a
>>>> single space that can handle all of its delegates at once for the
>>>> plenaries? How much does that add to the cost? Would universities
>>> be
>>>> cheaper as hosts? They certainly have the facilities, including
>>> wi-fi,
>>>> canteens, and (potentially) cheap accommodation; I note that the
>>>> FOSDEM conference ( > 5000 delegates for all of whom it is free)
>>> is
>>>> hosted yearly at a university in Brussels.
>>>
>>> Requirement (in CfL):
>>> "For the 2016 conference we would ask that a host be able to handle
>>> up
>>> to 1000 attendees."
>>>
>>> We are not in Brussels, our university might cover a capacity of
>>> some
>>> hundred, if available at all. And I guess that very often, the
>>> "core" of
>>> local chapters (who in the end organize FOSS4G's) are not always in
>>> the
>>> biggest cities of their countries. Being in the biggest cities with
>>> the
>>> biggest Universities would on the other side reduce possible
>>> locations
>>> (and normally rise up accommodation costs).
>>>
>>> Also, if you are not in a single building (as FOSs4G ever was) you
>>> won't
>>> reach the special FOSS4G feeling and spirit, you have an event where
>>>
>>> people might even not meet, because they are always at different
>>> locations.
>>> Very likely, a conference center or hotel is the onliest possible
>>> location (BTW: I am absolutely convinced that especially our
>>> location
>>> makes part of the spirit.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What about the "freebies" that are included in the welcome pack -
>>>> conference branded pens and t-shirts? Are they really necessary?
>>> Ok,
>>>> maybe the pens (not everyone remembers to bring one, they get
>>> lost),
>>>> but the t-shirts? Bottled water (some conferences do that)? Etc. I
>>>
>>>> suspect these little things add up.
>>>
>>> Anyhow we want to reduce that to an absolute minimum. But knowing
>>> our
>>> community, you know that T-Shirets are nearly the most important
>>> thing
>>> you receive on a FOSs4G ;-). In general, compared to the other
>>> costs,
>>> the conference bag will be around 5 % of the total fee. So not
>>> really
>>> worth talking about that.
>>>
>>>> You make a good point Till about other costs to the conference but
>>> a
>>>> counter-point: I can *choose* how much I pay for the other
>>> elements.
>>>> I'm paying less than €40 per night accommodation for Bonn - sure
>>> there
>>>> are options for €100 a night, but they're not for me. It doesn't
>>>
>>>> matter who's paying (work or me), I always seek out a cheaper
>>>> alternative.
>>>
>>> That's a correct point, but you won't take the bus to Bonn, except
>>> you
>>> come from Alfter (which is very close). So you can choose, but
>>> regarding
>>> my travel to Korea, you can choose which airline, but the price for
>>> flights from Germany to Korea differ around some percentages.
>>>
>>>> Food is likewise - Looking at the invoice for Bonn I can see it
>>> says
>>>> "Food and beverages: ... € 150.00" - (excluding the Gala
>>> dinner), I'm
>>>> sure there's a reason for it, but to me that's a staggeringly high
>>>
>>>> cost, that's considerably more than I spend on a *month* of food
>>> at
>>>> home (UK). My last holiday (mid-price European country) my total
>>> food
>>>> cost came out to €16 a day.
>>>
>>> Correct. But if you hire WCCB you have to choose the one possible
>>> caterer. So no choice for us here. Giving the choice for attendees
>>> here
>>> (food/no food) would make on site management extremly complicated.
>>> We
>>> had this in Barcelona and i really did not like the various
>>> "control"
>>> points.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Travel too the delegates get a choice in - I could fly Ryanair for
>>>
>>>> €35, but I refuse to fly so will spend about €130 on trains
>>> (book
>>>> early! :-) ). But that's my choice. (If a delegate really wanted
>>> to
>>>> they could hitch-hike and/or couch-surf to get the costs to near
>>> 0.)
>>>> Unfortunately for someone wishing to attend they don't get a
>>> choice in
>>>> the conference fees.
>>>> I'd also point out, as before, that the high cost of the fees also
>>>
>>>> makes it difficult for lower-income attendees. OSGeo has as one of
>>> its
>>>> stated goals "be a welcoming and inclusive worldwide organization
>>> at
>>>> all levels;". I'm not sure what the solution to this is, but the
>>>> "studentship" programme is good, as is the travel-grant.
>>>
>>> Don't forget people from other continents. You as European *could*
>>> take
>>> the train, Sanghee from Seoul could, but would take him some weeks I
>>>
>>> guess ;-) !
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Comparison with a few other conferences of a similar or larger
>>> size
>>>> I'm aware of or quickly found:
>>>> FOSDEM - already mentioned.
>>>> ARVO - a 5 day conference that moves around the USA with > 11,000
>>>> clinical delegates - it doesn't include food, but the
>>>> late-registration conference fees for Non-Members (so their most
>>>> expensive fee) - $269!
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> (http://www.arvo.org/Conferences_and_Courses/Imaging_Conference/2016/Registration/ 
>>
>>> [1]).
>>>> http://opensourcebridge.org/attend [2] - 500 delegates, 4 day
>>> conference -
>>>> $350, but an option to pay more ($500) if you want to be a
>>> "supporter"
>>>> - that might work for FOSS4G.
>>>>
>>>> That said, FOSS4G isn't the most expensive conference either.
>>> LinuxCon
>>>> (3 days) is $800 at early-bird rates, going up to $950.
>>>>
>>>> There are a few ideas scattered above that may make it cheaper (or
>>>
>>>> maybe won't). Another one - have the sponsors sponsor explicit
>>> things;
>>>> not just the "gala", but things like the pens (or even supply
>>> them),
>>>> or maybe the meals ("this food sponsored by
>>>> GeoWorldSpatialMapGlobalGIS Inc").
>>>
>>> Of course we try/tried that. You are invited to support us here ;-)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> A counter point to my own argument though - the increasing
>>> delegate
>>>> count shows that plenty of people (or their companies in many
>>> cases)
>>>> are willing to pay the current rates.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/05/2016 10:34, till.adams at fossgis.de [3] wrote:
>>>>> Hi Maxi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I pick up your discussion, but break your email into single
>>> issues, so
>>>>> that anyone interested in one topic can jump in.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your point: "FOSS4G CONFERENCES
>>>>> This is the momentum. Here i have always get inspiration from
>>>>> listening talks, discussing with people, talking with friends. It
>>> used
>>>>> to be a very inclusive event: the peak of the FOSS4G iceberg. I'm
>>>
>>>>> saying "it use to be" because prices are year by year growing so
>>> much
>>>>> that today they represent a barrier. I would have liked to came
>>> with 5
>>>>> people from my group but this is simply not economically
>>> sustainable:
>>>>> as a result the younger will lose this opportunity to join the
>>>>> community and breath the breeze of Open innovation. If i compare
>>>>> FOSS4G prices (rate per day) with other comparable events they
>>> are
>>>>> higher. I personally don't need fancy locations and I am more
>>>>> interested in involving more people rather then having high
>>> revenue
>>>>> for the foundation. I want to meet students, people from low
>>> income
>>>>> countries, small companies, start-up. Let's find a way to be
>>> Open.."
>>>>>
>>>>> is one view on FOSS4G (negotiating that OSGeo has to deal with
>>>>> business is another one, and I have a totally different opinion
>>> here,
>>>>> but that's another issue).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As the "responsible" person for this years FOSS4G (and also one
>>> of the
>>>>> nerds, that took every FOSS4G since 2005 with one exception in
>>> 2014) I
>>>>> am also not really happy with our prices either, although I must
>>> say,
>>>>> that we are nearly equal to 2014, but more expensive than 2015,
>>> that's
>>>>> true.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, some important issues to take into account before we (you?)
>>>>> continue to dream:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. People tend to see only the prices for the conference. If we
>>> could
>>>>> save 30% of our costs and being able to offer tickets for 400€
>>> instead
>>>>> of 590€ (Early Bird) wouldn't make that big difference in total
>>> costs
>>>>> for the attendees at the end. This because there are also travel
>>> and
>>>>> accommodation costs which are out of our influence (see, my
>>> flight to
>>>>> Seoul last year was about 1200€, accommodation 700€ - looking
>>> at this,
>>>>> a conference fee of 400.- compared to 600.- does not really make
>>> that
>>>>> big difference). Even in a city like Bonn, where accommodation
>>> rates
>>>>> are moderate, you should at least calculate 70€/day, plus food,
>>> beer,
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> So, the fact, that tickets are more expensive than last year
>>> couldn't
>>>>> be the only reason not being able to bring 5 people to Bonn. Also
>>> this
>>>>> view completely negotiates that there are definitely costs, that
>>> we
>>>>> have to cover.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Tieing on here, although this is another discussion: The
>>>>> requirements of OSGeo bear some parameters, that really rise up
>>> costs:
>>>>> Hire a conference center, need to have a PCO and include the Gala
>>>
>>>>> Event. These are all nice ideas, but of course they all result in
>>>
>>>>> higher costs and with that in higher ticket fees. As long as
>>> OSGeo
>>>>> (especially you should remember ;-)) refuses to give a 100%
>>> financial
>>>>> backup, the calculation of income to reach the break even drives
>>> LOC's
>>>>> to calculate much more carefully - and with that with higher
>>> fees.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Regarding the most expensive part of our conference - the
>>>>> conference center: In most cities it is simply impossible finding
>>> a
>>>>> location where you could run a conference with that a size of up
>>> to
>>>>> 1000 attendees. And hiring a conference center is expensive,
>>>>> regardless where in the world.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This just as a quick review - having time to think little more, I
>>> am
>>>>> sure I'd find many other reasons, why we should stop dreaming
>>> here
>>>>> when thinking about having a global conference that everybody is
>>> able
>>>>> to join, where you just meet good friends and have some nice
>>> beers
>>>>> together. Everything simply does not work as long as there is no
>>>>> source of income that makes LOC's and OSGeo independent of
>>> financial
>>>>> success of a FOSS4G conference.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps there is a need for a discussion and also a decision,
>>> which
>>>>> focus we/OSGeo want/s to give our annual global event. As a
>>> person
>>>>> from the business side (which is important as engine for
>>> development
>>>>> of the projects, see recent email from Jeroen), I say that one
>>> global
>>>>> professional conference is definitely required. And having
>>> something
>>>>> like studentship programme, travel grants helps to enable at
>>> least
>>>>> some people to join that conference, that normally couldn't
>>> afford it.
>>>>> But most of them couldn't even afford attending anyway, even if
>>>>> conference fees were less than half of what they are.
>>>>> Perhaps the spirit of the conference that everybody could afford
>>>>> (especially because of travel costs), must be carried out on a
>>>>> regional/continental scale ?
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW: Yes, it's me arguing like this, and I am one of the last
>>> guys
>>>>> that fighted as long as possible to keep our FOSSGIS conference
>>> free
>>>>> of charge ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Last point - regarding your people from your group: If they are
>>>>> students, they could have applied for our studentship programme.
>>> They
>>>>> can try, but looks like that we are nearly complete here...
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my 2 (long) cents.
>>>>>
>>>>> Till
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 2016-05-11 11:01, schrieb massimiliano cannata:
>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>> From: <conference_dev-owner at lists.osgeo.org [4] [1]>
>>>>>> Date: 2016-05-11 10:41 GMT+02:00
>>>>>> Subject: Incubation, osgeo-EU and FOSS4G
>>>>>> To: massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch [5] [2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your message has been rejected, probably because you are not
>>>>>> subscribed to the mailing list and the lists policy is to
>>> prohibit
>>>>>> non-members from posting to it. If you think that your messages
>>> are
>>>>>> being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
>>>>>> conference_dev-owner at lists.osgeo.org [6] [3].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------- Messaggio inoltrato ----------
>>>>>> From: Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch [7]
>>> [4]>
>>>>>> To: OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org [8] [5]>, OSGeo
>>> Discussions
>>>>>> <discuss at lists.osgeo.org [9] [6]>, OSGeo Incubator Committee
>>>>>> <incubator at lists.osgeo.org [10] [7]>,
>>> "<conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org [11]
>>>>>> [8]>" <conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org [12] [9]>
>>>>>> Cc:
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 10:41:55 +0200
>>>>>> Subject: Incubation, osgeo-EU and FOSS4G
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry for cross-posting but these recent topics (which took
>>> place on
>>>>>> different lists) took myself to reflect about our foundation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Summary of the long mail below (for those who dont have time go
>>>>>> trough
>>>>>> :-D )
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> =================================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DISCUSSION: only a small number of people take part to the
>>>>>> discussions, why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> INCUBATION: we care about high quality, long term sustainable
>>> and
>>>>>> reliable solutions, who cares of governance models?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BUSINESS AND OSGEO(EU): we are a foundation of people not of
>>>>>> companies, we dont have to do business!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FOSS4G CONFERENCES: fees are a barrier, we are building
>>> exclusive
>>>>>> events rather then being inclusive, who care about revenue!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More explanation of my thoughts (for those who have time to
>>> spend and
>>>>>> go deeper :-o )
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> ==================================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Im an environmental engineer and thus far from being a rigorous
>>>>>> informatics or an economist or a social science expert.
>>> Nevertheless
>>>>>> in these last 20 years (from Bangkok to Seoul without missing a
>>>>>> single
>>>>>> one) I had the opportunity to met those words, make some
>>> experience
>>>>>> and learn a bit.
>>>>>> Thats to say that i do not have the truth in my pockets and Im
>>> open
>>>>>> to change my view.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DISCUSSIONS
>>>>>> First a small consideration, those topics are discussed by a
>>> small
>>>>>> number of people with respect of the total members of our
>>> community.
>>>>>> It means that A) the arguments are not of high interest B)
>>> silent
>>>>>> people are shy and do not feel to be in the position to add
>>> value to
>>>>>> the conversation C) people think it is a waste of time.
>>>>>> This is often happening and my impression is that people just
>>> dont
>>>>>> care to much of these political issues but only of technical
>>> matters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> INCUBATION
>>>>>> My understanding is that OSGeo trough the incubation process
>>> aims at
>>>>>> guarantee high quality, long term sustainable and reliable
>>> solutions
>>>>>> to show that FOSS Geospatial technology is valuable and
>>> credible. In
>>>>>> this view the governance model adopted (PSC, dictator or
>>> whatever) is
>>>>>> of secondary importance to me as long as the software respond to
>>> the
>>>>>> above mentioned requisites. I personally prefer clear process
>>> rather
>>>>>> then open-in-words but fake-in-fact rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BUSINESS AND OSGEO(EU)
>>>>>> OSGeo is an organisation of people. Not of sectors or groups or
>>>>>> parties. Of course people belong to categories and this tend to
>>>>>> influence the way they see the world. For this reason people
>>> tend to
>>>>>> contribute to the community for their competence and interest
>>> within
>>>>>> committees or working groups. It is not the mandate of OSGeo
>>> making
>>>>>> lobbies or acquire mandates. To me OSGeo should get together
>>> great
>>>>>> projects and people to offer the world the possibility of
>>> advance and
>>>>>> improve the life of people. I know It is a bit exaggerated but
>>> when i
>>>>>> think of open source i see it as a mean of equity: like making
>>>>>> accessible food and sanitation and drinking water and medicine
>>> to
>>>>>> everyone in the world. Making tools for a better governance
>>> available
>>>>>> to all.
>>>>>> OSGeo is about mutually sharing experiences, ideas, solutions
>>> not
>>>>>> building business. For this LocationTech which is a community of
>>>
>>>>>> companies / entities I understood is more suited.
>>>>>> So my vision is OSGeo focused on people not on companies or
>>> groups.
>>>>>> Splitting the community is not an advancement but a loss of
>>> value.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FOSS4G CONFERENCES
>>>>>> This is the momentum. Here i have always get inspiration from
>>>>>> listening talks, discussing with people, talking with friends.
>>> It
>>>>>> used
>>>>>> to be a very inclusive event: the peak of the FOSS4G iceberg. Im
>>>
>>>>>> saying "it use to be" because prices are year by year growing so
>>> much
>>>>>> that today they represent a barrier. I would have liked to came
>>> with
>>>>>> 5
>>>>>> people from my group but this is simply not economically
>>> sustainable:
>>>>>> as a result the younger will lose this opportunity to join the
>>>>>> community and breath the breeze of Open innovation. If i compare
>>>
>>>>>> FOSS4G prices (rate per day) with other comparable events they
>>> are
>>>>>> higher. I personally dont need fancy locations and I am more
>>>>>> interested in involving more people rather then having high
>>> revenue
>>>>>> for the foundation. I want to meet students, people from low
>>> income
>>>>>> countries, small companies, start-up. Lets find a way to be
>>> Open..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MAY THE FOSS BE WITH YOU !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- -- Dr. Eng. Massimiliano Cannata
>>>>>> Responsabile Area Geomatica
>>>>>> Istituto Scienze della Terra
>>>>>> Scuola Universitaria Professionale della Svizzera Italiana
>>>>>> Via Trevano, c.p. 72
>>>>>> CH-6952 Canobbio-Lugano
>>>>>> Tel: +41 (0)58 666 62 14
>>>>>> Fax +41 (0)58 666 62 09
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Links:
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