[OSGeo-Conf] Voting & commitment

Peter Batty peter at ebatty.com
Fri Sep 30 13:05:16 PDT 2016

Yes, I was going to make a similar point. The primary task that this
committee carries out is the annual selection of the next FOSS4G team,
using a voting process that is unaffected by the current discussion. We
also occasionally (usually once a year) vote to add a new member, this
process is (I think) changing to use a different voting process, also
unaffected by the current discussion (well I guess it was part of this
originally but we have moved on).

We have had over 150 emails now I think on this topic, to address something
that almost never happens (that this committee votes on matters other than
the previous two items I mentioned). We have spent way more time discussing
this than I have ever seen the committee spend discussing a FOSS4G
selection. We all have a finite amount of time we can devote to OSGeo work
and I would prefer to see this group focus its energy on conference related

So I'm sorry but I certainly have "voter fatigue" on this issue as Steven
said. This is not intended to be a criticism of anyone and I appreciate the
passion and energy of those of you who want to improve our voting process.
I voted in favor of the first motion but missed the second vote among the
volume of mail that came through on this topic.

I think that calls for people to stand down who didn't vote on this most
recent motion are misguided. I serve on this committee as I want to help
contribute to us continuing to have great FOSS4G conferences, and I think I
have relevant experience to help with that. But I'm afraid I have a rapidly
diminishing enthusiasm for further discussion on modifying a voting system
that is almost never used by this committee.

So anyway, I really don't mean this to sound like a negative email, but I
would like to encourage those of you who have a strong opinion on voting
processes to find a way to bring this matter to a conclusion soon. Then the
rest of us whose focus and interest is on conference related matters will
be happy to use the new process on the very rare occasions that we need it


P.S. for what it's worth, my main thought on organization is that I prefer
a smaller, more engaged conference committee. I also have a slight leaning
to a simple majority vote as I think it helps to make decisions more
quickly, and we are not always good at that :).

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:30 AM, David William Bitner <bitner at dbspatial.com
> wrote:

> I also think in the case of this committee, there is one vote a year that
> the folks here universally care about: the FOSS4G selection.
> Other than that, people clearly have far less energy to spend paying
> attention to things like governance issues. Low/no quorum can handle this
> even with a large overall pool of committee members as folks who only care
> about that one vote can "ride it out" through the year, but pay close
> attention come rfp/selection time.
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:25 PM, Eli Adam <eadam at co.lincoln.or.us> wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Venkatesh Raghavan
>> <venka.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The way I look at the 25% quorum threshold, suggested by Eli,
>> > is that it is close to the "benevolent dictatorship"
>> > decision model. One of our projects in incubation
>> > was asked to retire since the lead developer proposed
>> > to adopt such a model for the project PSC.
>> 25% quorum threshold and "benevolent dictatorship" have nearly nothing
>> in common.
>> In benevolent dictatorship 1 person can overrule a 90% majority.  This
>> is entirely anti-democratic.
>> In low (or no quorum), people can participate as it suits and
>> interests them.  If people are fine with the already voted stance,
>> then they don't need to throw in their +1.  If people are satisfied
>> with the motion going either way, they certainly don't need to add
>> their +0.  During contentious or interesting topics that also fit the
>> timing of activities in people's personal lives, then there is often
>> high participation.  While participation may range from 1%-100%, the
>> result is consensus or at least majority.  Majority to consensus is
>> entirely democratic.  People choosing to not vote is not a loss of
>> democracy.  The potential is there if people are so inclined.
>> Best regards, Eli
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