[OSGeo-Conf] Start 2019 RFP / Call for vote on "publishing LoIvotes"

Till Adams till.adams at fossgis.de
Wed Sep 6 01:34:59 PDT 2017


Jachym,


> If I understand it correctly: Having 50% quota for the next round and
> having each committee member as many votes, as there are candidates
> (so you could put one vote to each proposal) would do the job?
>
correct. Every CC member has one vote per LoI. Your choice is "yes" or
"no" (or thumb up or down or however you call it ;-)).

I already called for a vote on this as well (se my mail from yesterday)

Till

> J
>
> st 6. 9. 2017 v 8:28 odesílatel Till Adams <till.adams at fossgis.de
> <mailto:till.adams at fossgis.de>> napsal:
>
>     Eli,
>
>     that is my experience, call for a vote, ad discussion goes on. I think
>     we are all more or less of the same opinion, that voting results
>     should
>     *not* be published. I also think, that happened accidentally last
>     time.
>     So no worries here.
>
>     Till
>
>
>     Am 05.09.2017 um 17:41 schrieb Eli Adam:
>     > What is that status of this motion, "I would propose *not* to
>     publish
>     > the number of votes on LoI's as we did (presumably accidentally) for
>     > the 2018 RfP"?  Failed? Passed? Withdrawn?
>     >
>     > In my mind we are really in the discussion phase and should not
>     yet be
>     > voting.  Although, honestly, this email list gets the most
>     discussion
>     > participation once a vote is called, so maybe calling votes is the
>     > only way to get wide participation in discussion.
>     >
>     >
>     > Best regards, Eli
>     >
>     > On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:33 PM, Till Adams
>     <till.adams at fossgis.de <mailto:till.adams at fossgis.de>> wrote:
>     >> Peter,
>     >>
>     >> thanks for that input - I also like the idea.
>     >>
>     >> Personnally I als prefer the situation, that there is a
>     competition.
>     >>
>     >> I call up a vote for this new, stage 1 voting system ;-)
>     >>
>     >> Till
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Am 04.09.2017 um 20:25 schrieb Peter Batty:
>     >>
>     >> I'm glad Darrell has raised this as I have felt a bit
>     uncomfortable with the
>     >> way that the first round of voting works. The general aim with
>     introducing
>     >> the two stage selection process was to avoid a team having to
>     put in
>     >> extensive work on a detailed proposal if they didn't have a
>     realistic chance
>     >> of being accepted. However, I think we also want to ensure
>     reasonable
>     >> competition to help maintain the high standards that we have
>     for FOSS4G
>     >> events, so unless there was some unusual situation I would
>     generally hope to
>     >> have at least two detailed proposals to evaluate.
>     >>
>     >> The current single vote in the first round I find quite
>     limiting. If I think
>     >> that two out of three initial proposals are strong and I would
>     like to see a
>     >> more detailed version of both to evaluate, but that a third one
>     is weak and
>     >> not a realistic option, I have no way to express that with one
>     vote. On a
>     >> couple of occasions I have found myself voting tactically in
>     the first
>     >> round, for what is my second choice based on initial
>     information, as I would
>     >> like to try to make sure that we see detailed proposals from
>     both of my top
>     >> 2 preferences - which is an approach that is not satisfactory
>     and may or may
>     >> not work!
>     >>
>     >> So I like Darrell's suggestion that for the first round, each
>     committee
>     >> member should vote yes or no on each initial proposal to
>     indicate if they
>     >> would like to see a more detailed proposal from that team. I
>     think there
>     >> would be various ways we could make the cut after that vote. It
>     could be all
>     >> teams greater than 50% as Darrell suggested. We could also
>     specify a maximum
>     >> number, say at most 3 teams based on who got the most votes. Or
>     we could
>     >> just go for the top 2 or 3 or whatever based on total votes
>     without a
>     >> specific threshold.
>     >>
>     >> Cheers,
>     >>     Peter.
>     >>
>     >> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Darrell Fuhriman
>     <darrell at garnix.org <mailto:darrell at garnix.org>>
>     >> wrote:
>     >>> An alternative voting option is everyone gives an up or down
>     vote on each
>     >>> proposal. Every proposal getting >50% (or whatever threshold)
>     up votes
>     >>> proceeds to the next round.
>     >>>
>     >>> d.
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>> On Sep 4, 2017, at 08:24, Venkatesh Raghavan
>     <venka.osgeo at gmail.com <mailto:venka.osgeo at gmail.com>>
>     >>>> wrote:
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> On 9/5/2017 12:01 AM, Till Adams wrote:
>     >>>>> I  think publishing the vote results and the min. number of
>     votes to
>     >>>>> pass the first threshold are two pair of shoes.
>     >>>> I agree. On a lighter vein, it should be one pair of shoes.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> I like the idea of a min. of 3 votes, but I prefer not to
>     publish the
>     >>>>> results.
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>> Should we vote on the min. number of votes as well?
>     >>>> I do not feel that vote on min. number of votes is necessary.
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Best
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Venka
>     >>>>
>     >>>>> Till
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>
>     >>>>>> Am 04.09.2017 um 16:39 schrieb stevenfeldman:
>     >>>>>> Sanghee said "Me too. +1 for not disclosing the vote
>     numbers at any
>     >>>>>> stage. "
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> My suggestion to publish LoI votes was based on the very
>     low threshold
>     >>>>>> for
>     >>>>>> inclusion in the next stage. If an LoI only needs 2 votes
>     to go on to
>     >>>>>> the
>     >>>>>> next stage we may be putting a team to a lot of work in
>     preparing a
>     >>>>>> full
>     >>>>>> proposal when they have little chance of being successful,
>     hence my
>     >>>>>> suggestion.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> We could also address this by requiring an LoI to receive
>     at least 20%
>     >>>>>> of
>     >>>>>> the votes cast by the committee at the first stage.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Re the final vote on proposals, I think it is helpful to
>     those who
>     >>>>>> have not
>     >>>>>> succeeded to understand how the voting worked.
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> In general we as a community prefer transparency, I am
>     surprised that
>     >>>>>> on
>     >>>>>> this important topic some would prefer the results of the
>     conference
>     >>>>>> committee votes to remain a secret. I vote against this
>     suggestion
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> Steven
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>>
>     >>>>>> --
>     >>>>>> Sent from:
>     >>>>>>
>     http://osgeo-org.1560.x6.nabble.com/OSGeo-Conference-Committee-f3721662.html
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