[OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion

Thu Dec 5 08:49:54 PST 2019

Till and Ian:
Thanks for the clarification. My bad for misunderstanding. Indeed, this
lends even further support to the notion that hosting regions pay some
deference to the importance of ensuring the global event in their region is
successful.

MT

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 9:49 AM Till Adams <till.adams at fossgis.de> wrote:

> Michael,
>
> nope, we try to not have a regional european event, if there is the global
> event in Europe as well ;-)
>
> @all: The board will make this issue as the major topic on the next
> meeting next monday. I asked in the board if it makes sense to have Vasile
> as representative of CC in this meeting. I think it makes sense to calm
> down a little on this topic and follow the suggestion of Jon (Neufeld) ;-)
>
> Regards, Till
>
>
> Am 05.12.19 um 15:25 schrieb michael terner:
>
> Jonathan:
> Europe has a population of ~741 million people; Canada has a population 37
> million, and even with the USA counted the combined population is half of
> Europe (according to quick Google searches). And, for FOSS4G's the host
> country generally provides the largest proportion of delegates. It's not
> just distance, it's the number of people who can financially support an
> event. Last, and as pointed out earlier, North America has a history, i.e.,
> an longstanding, intentional precedent, of not having a N. American only
> event in the same year that the global event occurs in N. America. Indeed,
> many conference goers have budget limitations that make it hard to support
> two events. On the other hand, Europe, supported by its large, diverse
> population, has a long history of supporting both a global and regional
> event in the same year.
>
> +1 to the notion of Halifax potentially being a venue for the 2021 N.
> American event. (That said, I perceive the current actions surrounding the
> Halifax conference URL to be quite unnecessary and to be made in bad faith,
> which has the potential to color my own future perceptions of a Halifax
> event. That said, time tends to heal wounds.)
>
> MT
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 6:30 AM Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde at osgis.nl>
> wrote:
>
>> You should compare this with when Sevilla and Bucharest were competing.
>> Imagine Sevilla saying, we will continue with our conference anyway and we
>> will compete with your event in Bucharest.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bart
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On 5 Dec 2019, at 12:02, Jonathan Moules <jonathan-lists at lightpear.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm wondering if someone can explain how this is different from having
>> FOSS4GUK and FOSS4G Bucharest within a month of each other and
>> geographically *much* closer? I'm not sure how being in the same country is
>> such an issue when the distances are so huge. I'd use an analogy of two
>> events on the opposite sides of a continent but... that's exactly what's
>> happening! From a green-sustainability perspective this seems like a
>> potential win.
>> >
>> > I agree with Jerome's point and remember the conversation hence my
>> notion and wondering if this is an example of how the current system
>> doesn't work? I can see how a year later could make more sense but that's
>> for Jeff to decide. Given OSGeo is volunteer driven, shouldn't we be
>> encouraging well-meaning participation (even if contentious) rather than
>> lambasting it?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > Jonathan
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 2019-12-05 07:45, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
>> >> I find this behaviour totally unacceptable, and I hope the OSGeo board
>> considers removing Jeff from charter membership and I think they should
>> even consider taking back his Sol Katz award. This cannot go without
>> consequences IMHO.
>> >>
>> >> Clearly he hasn't gotten over the disappointment of his proposal not
>> winning, but this is not the way to deal with that.
>> >>
>> >> Best regards,
>> >>
>> >> Bart
>> >>
>> >>> On 04-12-2019 23:58, Jérôme St-Louis wrote:
>> >>> There were some remarks not long after the bid where it was realized
>> how much efforts all LOC teams put in these bids, and that it unfortunately
>> ends up wasted while it could perhaps be used as proposals for e.g. the
>> regional bids.
>> >>>
>> >>> I would very much support and encourage Jeff in aiming at FOSS4G-NA
>> 2021 for FOSS4G-HFX, if the efforts could be recycled towards that
>> possibility!
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> -Jerome
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 12/4/19 5:31 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote:
>> >>>> No, it's not really.
>> >>>> The obvious place to put the energy and enthusiasm from a 2nd place
>> >>>> international bid is in running the next relevant regional
>> conference,
>> >>>> FOSS4G-NA 2021 in our case, not in counter-programming against the
>> >>>> actual event.
>> >>>> I'd still like to visit Halifax some time, even some time soon.
>> >>>> ATB,
>> >>>> P.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 4:51 AM Jonathan Moules
>> >>>> <jonathan-lists at lightpear.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>   > The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete
>> against
>> >>>>> another event in our own country
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> While it may be the same "country", Calgary and Halifax are over
>> 3700km
>> >>>>> apart. Geographically at least that's like being disappointed there
>> was
>> >>>>> a FOSS4GUK Edinburgh this year a mere 2420km away from FOSS4G proper
>> >>>>> (Bucharest).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I'd suggest +1 for both going ahead - Canada is huge and people
>> >>>>> (hopefully) travelling less is good. Here's a thought, maybe rather
>> than
>> >>>>> competing both groups could create a single merged event split
>> across
>> >>>>> two venues somehow.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 2019-12-03 14:52, Jonathan Neufeld wrote:
>> >>>>>> Hi Eli,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I completely agree.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> However, it appears that Jeff is choosing to go ahead with a
>> FOSS4G in Halifax.
>> >>>>>> As per the website this morning he says:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "2019-12-03:  Hello again world!  We’re excited to announce that
>> the FOSS4G-HFX event will be happening in 2020 !  The size and scope may be
>> changed, but the true passion for FOSS4G and sharing will not.  Watch this
>> space for more updates.  Thank you for all of the support!"
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Another pop-up box indicates that
>> >>>>>> "2019-12-02: The venue for FOSS4G-HFX 2020 may actually be the
>> back of a pub, and a donated university lab, but the FOSS4G spirit will
>> exist ha! The original proposed venue is listed here, we will update this
>> page when we have more news on venues. Thank you for support!"
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete
>> against another event in our own country, especially one being presented by
>> an OSGeo Charter Member and former OSGeo board member. We will push forward
>> and continue building a strong event for August, and we remain confident
>> that 2020 will be the biggest and best FOSS4G in the history of excellent
>> global events.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>> Jon
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>> From: Eli Adam <eadam at co.lincoln.or.us>
>> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:17 AM
>> >>>>>> To: Karine Jean <karine at geomatiqc.com>
>> >>>>>> Cc: Jonathan Neufeld <jneufeld at tecterra.com>;
>> info at gatewaygeomatics.com; jmckenna at osgeo.org; Conference Dev <
>> conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org>; osgeo-board List <board at lists.osgeo.org>;
>> chair at foss4g.ca; jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing
>> confusion
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I hope that we hear from Jeff soon and are able to resolve this
>> without resorting to a TLD authority.  OSGeo is a small community and we
>> should be able to resolve things internally.  I agree that it should be
>> addressed soon.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Best regards, Eli
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM Karine Jean <karine at geomatiqc.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Hi All,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I do not
>> have the access to shut down the foss4g.ca website. Jeff is the only
>> owner of this URL and website. I agree that the foss4g.ca site in its
>> current form is very misleading but I wanted to have more information
>> before responding.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote to
>> Jeff to ask him if he could do anything about it.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about the
>> situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down the site but
>> as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I will report directly to
>> the board off-list for the next steps.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a great
>> event in Calgary in 2020.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Karine
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld <
>> jneufeld at tecterra.com> a écrit :
>> >>>>>>>> Hi All,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well as the
>> potential avenues to address it.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine and she
>> was gracious and helpful.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca registrar)
>> remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and efficient process.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G brand
>> for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown into a large
>> conference with attendance consistently at or above the 1,000 person mark
>> and this is something valuable worth protecting so that it can confidently
>> grow into the future.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jon
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> From: Conference_dev <conference_dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> On
>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Jody Garnett
>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM
>> >>>>>>>> To: Jérôme St-Louis <jerome at ecere.com>
>> >>>>>>>> Cc: info at gatewaygeomatics.com; jmckenna at osgeo.org; Conference
>> Dev
>> >>>>>>>> <conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org>; karine at geomatiqc.com;
>> osgeo-board
>> >>>>>>>> List <board at lists.osgeo.org>; chair at foss4g.ca
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing
>> >>>>>>>> confusion
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Good idea let us check:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolutio
>> >>>>>>>> n-policy
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a Proceeding
>> (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a complaint (the
>> “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence Requirements for Registrants
>> (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain name that is the subject of the
>> Proceeding unless the Complaint relates to a trade-mark registered in the
>> Canadian Intellectual Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the
>> owner of the trade-mark.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> It really does look like we need to be the owner of the
>> trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> However there is something interring there "Canadian Presence
>> Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing committee could
>> qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement" explain that the current
>> foss4g.ca website represent a failed bid that is interfering with the
>> conference in Calgary?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis <jerome at ecere.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jody,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone number is
>> listed
>> >>>>>>>> at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is possible
>> after it having been freely used in the general sense of Free and Open
>> Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense for many years?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> However, on foss4g.ca both OSGeo - Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec
>> names and logos are featured, and both chapters have officially called to
>> re-direct, take down the content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020
>> takes place in Calgary, not Halifax.
>> >>>>>>>> That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those chapters
>> logo, and that may already be trademarked?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> -Jerome
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the next
>> board
>> >>>>>>>> meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> But I also want to say as an organization we do not own the
>> trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is this statement
>> you disagree with?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g trademark?
>> That would be my advised course of action. Obtain trademark and ask dot ca
>> to remove this site.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working and phone
>> him.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe <markiliffe at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hi Jody,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a severe
>> issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus is to
>> ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors are clear on
>> the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that site does look like
>> Halifax is the host, not Calgary.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action to
>> ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being offered. The
>> domain is the first step to this.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve this -
>> and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite ill and dropped
>> many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re less than a year away, so
>> let’s work on resolving this as quickly as possible.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Mark
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> k
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a deliberate
>> choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask the ca domain to
>> intervene.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks volunteer
>> capacity and ability to contribute when they have time. We have spent some
>> effort working around his in availability as a board.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting. Indeed
>> it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g trademark.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman <
>> shfeldman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jody
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Is this a case where the board is the committee that needs to
>> act?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Regards
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Steven
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> +44 (0) 7958 924101
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles will
>> just need to be handled if they occur.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo committees are
>> empowered to act and remove individuals who are not welcome. Indeed we ask
>> that all committees / projects / events have a code of conduct.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a black list
>> for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and a "gray list" for
>> individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before they attended one of our
>> events again. The kindest way we could think to handle this is to ask the
>> individual to sign a the code of conduct (so there could be no
>> miscommunication with respect to behaviour).
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Individual committees can also control their membership with a
>> motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access, and so forth. To
>> specifically answer your question the board is in position to update the
>> charter members list (and is supposed to do so as a result of inactivity).
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the
>> foss4g.ca site is still up. That is disappointing to say the least.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the Halifax
>> bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can remove the
>> Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they think it should
>> remain almost a year after the decision was made to award to Calgary not
>> Halifax?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for revoking
>> Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we consider to be in
>> conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not suggesting that this is the case
>> re Halifax web site but I think it prompts the question of what
>> would/should we do if a CM is considered to have possibly gone rogue?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ______
>> >>>>>>>> Steven
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Unusual maps in strange places -  mappery.org
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Subscribe to my weekly “Maps in the Wild” newsletter
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld <
>> jneufeld at tecterra.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hi All,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev list,
>> however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past month with no
>> success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down your
>> Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is causing
>> confusion with some members of the community.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards a
>> successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site for Halifax
>> 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G 2020 and sowing
>> confusion amongst potential participants.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jon
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> JONATHAN NEUFELD
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> CO-CHAIR
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> http://2020.foss4g.org/
>> >>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
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