[OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing confusion
Till Adams
till.adams at fossgis.de
Thu Dec 5 06:49:32 PST 2019
Michael,
nope, we try to not have a regional european event, if there is the
global event in Europe as well ;-)
@all: The board will make this issue as the major topic on the next
meeting next monday. I asked in the board if it makes sense to have
Vasile as representative of CC in this meeting. I think it makes sense
to calm down a little on this topic and follow the suggestion of Jon
(Neufeld) ;-)
Regards, Till
Am 05.12.19 um 15:25 schrieb michael terner:
> Jonathan:
> Europe has a population of ~741 million people; Canada has a
> population 37 million, and even with the USA counted the combined
> population is half of Europe (according to quick Google searches).
> And, for FOSS4G's the host country generally provides the largest
> proportion of delegates. It's not just distance, it's the number of
> people who can financially support an event. Last, and as pointed out
> earlier, North America has a history, i.e., an longstanding,
> intentional precedent, of not having a N. American only event in the
> same year that the global event occurs in N. America. Indeed, many
> conference goers have budget limitations that make it hard to support
> two events. On the other hand, Europe, supported by its large, diverse
> population, has a long history of supporting both a global and
> regional event in the same year.
>
> +1 to the notion of Halifax potentially being a venue for the 2021 N.
> American event. (That said, I perceive the current actions surrounding
> the Halifax conference URL to be quite unnecessary and to be made in
> bad faith, which has the potential to color my own future perceptions
> of a Halifax event. That said, time tends to heal wounds.)
>
> MT
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 6:30 AM Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde at osgis.nl
> <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl>> wrote:
>
> You should compare this with when Sevilla and Bucharest were
> competing. Imagine Sevilla saying, we will continue with our
> conference anyway and we will compete with your event in Bucharest.
>
> Best regards,
> Bart
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 5 Dec 2019, at 12:02, Jonathan Moules
> <jonathan-lists at lightpear.com
> <mailto:jonathan-lists at lightpear.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I'm wondering if someone can explain how this is different from
> having FOSS4GUK and FOSS4G Bucharest within a month of each other
> and geographically *much* closer? I'm not sure how being in the
> same country is such an issue when the distances are so huge. I'd
> use an analogy of two events on the opposite sides of a continent
> but... that's exactly what's happening! From a
> green-sustainability perspective this seems like a potential win.
> >
> > I agree with Jerome's point and remember the conversation hence
> my notion and wondering if this is an example of how the current
> system doesn't work? I can see how a year later could make more
> sense but that's for Jeff to decide. Given OSGeo is volunteer
> driven, shouldn't we be encouraging well-meaning participation
> (even if contentious) rather than lambasting it?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
> >> On 2019-12-05 07:45, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
> >> I find this behaviour totally unacceptable, and I hope the
> OSGeo board considers removing Jeff from charter membership and I
> think they should even consider taking back his Sol Katz award.
> This cannot go without consequences IMHO.
> >>
> >> Clearly he hasn't gotten over the disappointment of his
> proposal not winning, but this is not the way to deal with that.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Bart
> >>
> >>> On 04-12-2019 23:58, Jérôme St-Louis wrote:
> >>> There were some remarks not long after the bid where it was
> realized how much efforts all LOC teams put in these bids, and
> that it unfortunately ends up wasted while it could perhaps be
> used as proposals for e.g. the regional bids.
> >>>
> >>> I would very much support and encourage Jeff in aiming at
> FOSS4G-NA 2021 for FOSS4G-HFX, if the efforts could be recycled
> towards that possibility!
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> -Jerome
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 12/4/19 5:31 PM, Paul Ramsey wrote:
> >>>> No, it's not really.
> >>>> The obvious place to put the energy and enthusiasm from a 2nd
> place
> >>>> international bid is in running the next relevant regional
> conference,
> >>>> FOSS4G-NA 2021 in our case, not in counter-programming
> against the
> >>>> actual event.
> >>>> I'd still like to visit Halifax some time, even some time soon.
> >>>> ATB,
> >>>> P.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 4:51 AM Jonathan Moules
> >>>> <jonathan-lists at lightpear.com
> <mailto:jonathan-lists at lightpear.com>> wrote:
> >>>>> > The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to
> compete against
> >>>>> another event in our own country
> >>>>>
> >>>>> While it may be the same "country", Calgary and Halifax are
> over 3700km
> >>>>> apart. Geographically at least that's like being
> disappointed there was
> >>>>> a FOSS4GUK Edinburgh this year a mere 2420km away from
> FOSS4G proper
> >>>>> (Bucharest).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd suggest +1 for both going ahead - Canada is huge and people
> >>>>> (hopefully) travelling less is good. Here's a thought, maybe
> rather than
> >>>>> competing both groups could create a single merged event
> split across
> >>>>> two venues somehow.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 2019-12-03 14:52, Jonathan Neufeld wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Eli,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I completely agree.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> However, it appears that Jeff is choosing to go ahead with
> a FOSS4G in Halifax.
> >>>>>> As per the website this morning he says:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "2019-12-03: Hello again world! We’re excited to announce
> that the FOSS4G-HFX event will be happening in 2020 ! The size
> and scope may be changed, but the true passion for FOSS4G and
> sharing will not. Watch this space for more updates. Thank you
> for all of the support!"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Another pop-up box indicates that
> >>>>>> "2019-12-02: The venue for FOSS4G-HFX 2020 may actually be
> the back of a pub, and a donated university lab, but the FOSS4G
> spirit will exist ha! The original proposed venue is listed here,
> we will update this page when we have more news on venues. Thank
> you for support!"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Calgary LOC is disappointed that we now have to compete
> against another event in our own country, especially one being
> presented by an OSGeo Charter Member and former OSGeo board
> member. We will push forward and continue building a strong event
> for August, and we remain confident that 2020 will be the biggest
> and best FOSS4G in the history of excellent global events.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Jon
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Eli Adam <eadam at co.lincoln.or.us
> <mailto:eadam at co.lincoln.or.us>>
> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:17 AM
> >>>>>> To: Karine Jean <karine at geomatiqc.com
> <mailto:karine at geomatiqc.com>>
> >>>>>> Cc: Jonathan Neufeld <jneufeld at tecterra.com
> <mailto:jneufeld at tecterra.com>>; info at gatewaygeomatics.com
> <mailto:info at gatewaygeomatics.com>; jmckenna at osgeo.org
> <mailto:jmckenna at osgeo.org>; Conference Dev
> <conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> <mailto:conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org>>; osgeo-board List
> <board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org>>;
> chair at foss4g.ca <mailto:chair at foss4g.ca>;
> jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site
> causing confusion
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I hope that we hear from Jeff soon and are able to resolve
> this without resorting to a TLD authority. OSGeo is a small
> community and we should be able to resolve things internally. I
> agree that it should be addressed soon.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Best regards, Eli
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 10:27 AM Karine Jean
> <karine at geomatiqc.com <mailto:karine at geomatiqc.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi All,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sorry for the delay before answering. As you may know, I
> do not have the access to shut down the foss4g.ca
> <http://foss4g.ca> website. Jeff is the only owner of this URL and
> website. I agree that the foss4g.ca <http://foss4g.ca> site in its
> current form is very misleading but I wanted to have more
> information before responding.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jon wrote to me last week about the situation. So, I wrote
> to Jeff to ask him if he could do anything about it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jeff wrote back to me and we had a talk on the phone about
> the situation this morning. I tried to convince him to shut down
> the site but as I wrote I have no control on his decision so I
> will report directly to the board off-list for the next steps.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thank you for your patience with this and I wish you all a
> great event in Calgary in 2020.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Karine
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Le lun. 2 déc. 2019 à 10:28, Jonathan Neufeld
> <jneufeld at tecterra.com <mailto:jneufeld at tecterra.com>> a écrit :
> >>>>>>>> Hi All,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you for all of the support on this issue, as well
> as the potential avenues to address it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I would like to note that I also reached out to Karine
> and she was gracious and helpful.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We will explore the potential to have CIRA (the .ca
> registrar) remove the domain, hopefully it is a quick and
> efficient process.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I would strongly support OSGeo in registering the FOSS4G
> brand for international trademark protection. FOSS4G has grown
> into a large conference with attendance consistently at or above
> the 1,000 person mark and this is something valuable worth
> protecting so that it can confidently grow into the future.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jon
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: Conference_dev
> <conference_dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
> <mailto:conference_dev-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>> On
> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Jody Garnett
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2019 10:11 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Jérôme St-Louis <jerome at ecere.com
> <mailto:jerome at ecere.com>>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: info at gatewaygeomatics.com
> <mailto:info at gatewaygeomatics.com>; jmckenna at osgeo.org
> <mailto:jmckenna at osgeo.org>; Conference Dev
> >>>>>>>> <conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> <mailto:conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org>>; karine at geomatiqc.com
> <mailto:karine at geomatiqc.com>; osgeo-board
> >>>>>>>> List <board at lists.osgeo.org
> <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org>>; chair at foss4g.ca
> <mailto:chair at foss4g.ca>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Conf] FOSS4G 2020 - Halifax site causing
> >>>>>>>> confusion
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Good idea let us check:
> >>>>>>>>
> https://cira.ca/policy/domain-name/cira-domain-name-dispute-resolutio
> >>>>>>>> n-policy
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 1.4 Eligible Complainants. The person initiating a
> Proceeding (the “Complainant”) must, at the time of submitting a
> complaint (the “Complaint”), satisfy the Canadian Presence
> Requirements for Registrants (the “CPR”) in respect of the domain
> name that is the subject of the Proceeding unless the Complaint
> relates to a trade-mark registered in the Canadian Intellectual
> Property Office (“CIPO”) and the Complainant is the owner of the
> trade-mark.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It really does look like we need to be the owner of the
> trademark for OSZGeo be eligible to file a complaint.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> However there is something interring there "Canadian
> Presence Requirement". Perhaps the local conference organizing
> committee could qualify as a "Canadian Presence Requirement"
> explain that the current foss4g.ca <http://foss4g.ca> website
> represent a failed bid that is interfering with the conference in
> Calgary?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:49, Jérôme St-Louis
> <jerome at ecere.com <mailto:jerome at ecere.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jody,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> AFAIK Jeff works from his home office and his phone
> number is listed
> >>>>>>>> at https://gatewaygeomatics.com/contact.html
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I question whether obtaining trademark to FOSS4G is
> possible after it having been freely used in the general sense of
> Free and Open Source Software for Geospatial in a general sense
> for many years?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> However, on foss4g.ca <http://foss4g.ca> both OSGeo -
> Ottawa and OSGeo - Quebec names and logos are featured, and both
> chapters have officially called to re-direct, take down the
> content, or clarify the fact that the FOSS4G 2020 takes place in
> Calgary, not Halifax.
> >>>>>>>> That could be ground enough for .ca to take action?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The name/logo of OSGeo itself is also part of those
> chapters logo, and that may already be trademarked?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -Jerome
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 12/1/19 11:37 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I agree it is serous, and I recommend adding this to the
> next board
> >>>>>>>> meeting (ideally conference chair could attend?)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> But I also want to say as an organization we do not own
> the trademark, and we cannot compel action of an individual. Is
> this statement you disagree with?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Perhaps this is a good reason to obtain the foss4g
> trademark? That would be my advised course of action. Obtain
> trademark and ask dot ca to remove this site.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I also think we could figure out where Jeff is working
> and phone him.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Any other thoughts on actions (not seriousness) Mark?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 4:37 AM Mark Iliffe
> <markiliffe at gmail.com <mailto:markiliffe at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi Jody,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I’m sorry to disagree so strongly, but i see this is as a
> severe issue that dramatically needs to be resolved with haste.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As a past (co-)chair of a global FOSS4G, i know the focus
> is to ensure that funds are raised and the delegates and sponsors
> are clear on the offering. Right now, this isnt the case as that
> site does look like Halifax is the host, not Calgary.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I would strongly urge the Board to take immediate action
> to ensure that people are as clear as possible on what is being
> offered. The domain is the first step to this.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There are many reasons why time has been taken to resolve
> this - and as someone who spent the first half of this year quite
> ill and dropped many balls - I can understand this...! But, we’re
> less than a year away, so let’s work on resolving this as quickly
> as possible.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 22:28, Jody Garnett
> <jody.garnett at gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> k
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We do not maintain copyright on foss4g, this is a
> deliberate choice as I understand it. So I do not think we can ask
> the ca domain to intervene.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As for Jeff being unavailable we like to respect folks
> volunteer capacity and ability to contribute when they have time.
> We have spent some effort working around his in availability as a
> board.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It is worth bringing this up with the next board meeting.
> Indeed it may be appropriate to go about claiming the foss4g
> trademark.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019 at 11:39 PM Steven Feldman
> <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jody
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Is this a case where the board is the committee that
> needs to act?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Steven
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> +44 (0) 7958 924101
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2019, at 20:01, Jody Garnett
> <jody.garnett at gmail.com <mailto:jody.garnett at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We do not need a procedure for everything, some troubles
> will just need to be handled if they occur.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I do not intend to dismiss your interest, osgeo
> committees are empowered to act and remove individuals who are not
> welcome. Indeed we ask that all committees / projects / events
> have a code of conduct.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In the August F2F meeting we discussed establishing a
> black list for individuals who are not welcome at our events, and
> a "gray list" for individuals who we "wanted to talk with" before
> they attended one of our events again. The kindest way we could
> think to handle this is to ask the individual to sign a the code
> of conduct (so there could be no miscommunication with respect to
> behaviour).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Individual committees can also control their membership
> with a motion, projects can adjust an individuals commit access,
> and so forth. To specifically answer your question the board is in
> position to update the charter members list (and is supposed to do
> so as a result of inactivity).
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 at 20:08, Steven Feldman
> <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Haven’t seen a response yet and I note that as of now the
> foss4g.ca <http://foss4g.ca> site is still up. That is
> disappointing to say the least.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have copied in Karine Jean who was the co-chair of the
> Halifax bid using the email on her OSGeo listing, perhaps she can
> remove the Halifax site or ask Jeff to do so or explain why they
> think it should remain almost a year after the decision was made
> to award to Calgary not Halifax?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A question for the board: Do we have any procedure for
> revoking Charter Membership in the event of behaviour that we
> consider to be in conflict with OSGeo principles? I am not
> suggesting that this is the case re Halifax web site but I think
> it prompts the question of what would/should we do if a CM is
> considered to have possibly gone rogue?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ______
> >>>>>>>> Steven
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Unusual maps in strange places - mappery.org
> <http://mappery.org>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 29 Nov 2019, at 22:14, Jonathan Neufeld
> <jneufeld at tecterra.com <mailto:jneufeld at tecterra.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi All,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I apologize for sending this through the Conference_Dev
> list, however I’ve been trying to reach Jeff McKenna for the past
> month with no success. If I am out of line here, please let me know.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jeff - I’m following up again on my request to take down
> your Halifax FOSS4G site at https://foss4g.ca/.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As I have previously mentioned, the Halifax site is
> causing confusion with some members of the community.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In the spirit of open collaboration and building towards
> a successful event, we are requesting that you take down the site
> for Halifax 2020 which is making a false claim of hosting FOSS4G
> 2020 and sowing confusion amongst potential participants.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jon
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> JONATHAN NEUFELD
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> CO-CHAIR
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> FOSS4G 2020 CALGARY
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://2020.foss4g.org/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/conference_dev
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jody Garnett
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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