[OSGeo-Conf] Vote for RfP 2025 by 28th of May
Jonathan Moules
jonathan-lists at lightpear.com
Fri May 31 06:07:30 PDT 2024
Hi Jeroen,
Thanks for your thoughtful response. I concur that there a numerous
geospatial communities around the world, however I was careful with my
word choice: International conferences shouldn't be hosted in these
particularly remote. Run local ones, that's fine, but putting
international conferences in some of the most geographically remote
places in the world just isn't sustainable. Think about it another way:
Will the benefits of hosting an international conference in these places
really be worth the extra several thousand tons of CO2 they create? I
simply don't see how.
/> It will be up to the participants individual considerations if that
implies visiting a Global OSGeo conference in Brasil, in Japan or in New
Zealand. Or not to and wait for a global conference that is closer to
home. With due respect for individual perspectives and considerations./
Alas, all evidence suggests that humans are not capable of making this
decision rationally. Aspects of the Tragedy of the Commons come into
play here, along with various cognitive biases, personality traits, etc.
Very few people assess societal best interests when making decisions
(and that's ignoring that "societal best interests" is going to be very
subjective and almost impossible to quantify anyway).
/> The Conference Committee and the submitters of the current proposals
are, form my perspective, extremely capable of taking all aspects of
hosting a global conference into consideration, including environmental
impact/
Unfortunately this process remains, ironically, closed. So there's no
evidence to support this assertion; we have no idea what criteria are
actually being used for the selection. Even if we give the committee the
benefit of the doubt, there are innumerable cognitive biases that will
still be affecting their decision, and we have no transparency into
that. A public scoring mechanism would be much more objective and open.
I tried googling around for examples that could be built from, but my
internet is woefully broken (56k baud speeds in 2024 == frustration).
Cheers,
Jonathan
On 2024-05-31 12:29, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Although I very much see where you are coming from, it is also
> important to consider that life does not only happen in Europe or
> North America. The Oceania and Asian OSGeo communities are strong and
> have incredible people working with and contributing to OSGeo FOSS.
> The goal of OSGeo is to promote its use and adoption across the globe.
> This brings lots of good IMHO. And yes, that also implies that OSGeo
> has set a goal for itself to have a global conference move across
> continents in a way that does justice to both the people and the OSGeo
> mission.
>
> It will be up to the participants individual considerations if that
> implies visiting a Global OSGeo conference in Brasil, in Japan or in
> New Zealand. Or not to and wait for a global conference that is closer
> to home. With due respect for individual perspectives and considerations.
>
> The Conference Committee and the submitters of the current proposals
> are, form my perspective, extremely capable of taking all aspects of
> hosting a global conference into consideration, including
> environmental impact. And related to this we also see stronger and
> stronger regional conferences being setup that reduce travel for many
> and increase the outreach.
>
> Cheers,
> Jeroen
>
>
>
> ---- Op do, 30 mei 2024 16:31:19 +0200 schreef *Jonathan Moules via
> Conference_dev <conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org>* ----
>
> As a counterpoint, I'd like to suggest that it's environmentally
> irresponsible to even consider hosting international conferences
> in locations as remote as New Zealand, Hawaii, or Australia.
>
> On 2024-05-30 11:49, María Arias de Reyna via Conference_dev wrote:
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> I just want to say to both teams behind the proposals: whoever
> doesn't win, please, try again. This is not an easy decision
> because both proposals are very good. I wish we could have both.
>
> On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 10:33 AM Vasile Craciunescu via
> Conference_dev <conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org
> <mailto:conference_dev at lists.osgeo.org>> wrote:
>
> Dear Conference Committee voting members,
>
> The deadline for voting for FOSS4G2025 venue was extended!
> The new deadline is *May 31 12h CET*. This is due to the
> fact that some of you (especially Gmail accounts) did not
> receive the Auckland financial proposal that was privately
> send by me, due to a DKIM misconfiguration problem. I'm
> very sorry for the situation and I kindly ask you to
> accept my apologies. Please take in consideration the
> information submitted to you this morning when casting
> your vote. Please do vote ASAP!
>
> Warm regards,
> Vasile
>
>
> On 21.05.2024 13:22, Vasile Craciunescu via Conference_dev
> wrote:
> > Dear voting members of OSGeo's conference committee!
> >
> > We are entering in the final phase for the selection of
> the FOSS4G 2025 venue [1]. Go through the great work of
> Auckland and Hiroshima teams [2] (Auckland financial
> details will be send directly to the Committee members).
> Then, please please send the name of your favored
> location/team via email to:
> >
> > - codrina at geo-spatial.org <mailto:codrina at geo-spatial.org>
> > - adams at terrestris.de <mailto:adams at terrestris.de>
> >
> > The deadline is May 28 12h CET. You can find the
> question from the committee and the answers from the LOC
> on our wiki page [3][4].
> >
> > Please vote!
> >
> > Warm regards,
> > Vasile
> >
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2025_Bid_Process
> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2025_Bid_Process>
> > [2] https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2025/
> <https://svn.osgeo.org/osgeo/foss4g/2025/>
> > [3]
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2025_Q%26A_2_Auckland
> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2025_Q%26A_2_Auckland>
> > [4]
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2025_Q%26A_2_Hiroshima
> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2025_Q%26A_2_Hiroshima>
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