[OSGeo-Discuss] Packaging an Integrated Geospatial Stack
Venkatesh Raghavan
raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp
Wed Aug 16 23:31:49 PDT 2006
Shorter, Cameron wrote:
> Venkatesh,
> It is great to see that you have put together a release of OSGeo products.
>
> Was this effort a one off, or do you have plans to continue this?
>
We plan to continue this effort. It took us almost four months to get
the CD ready.
We are considering a modest annual release cycle, but need help with
a) Testing for other RPM based distributions (Open Suse, Red Hat etc.)
b) Help with RPM packing of OSSIM, Geotools, MapGuide Open Source)
c) Migration of tools such as Maplab2.2 from PHP4 to PHP5
d) Need mirrors for out ISO CD want to save our bandwith
> What do you suggest is required to set up a sustained packaging process for
> projects?
> If someone who understands packaging could write down the process and set up
> any related tools, then OSGeo projects could modify their release processes
> to feed into the OSGeo Integrated Build process.
>
Maybe OSGeo should consider having a "RPM Farm" so that users could use
automated tools (urpmi)
to install from RPM farm
> Being part of the OSGeo distribution packaging could become part of the
> Incubation process. (Maybe that is going a bit far).
>
Official OSGeo CD maybe.
Regards
Venka
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Venkatesh Raghavan [mailto:raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp]
>> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 1:27 PM
>> To: discuss at mail.osgeo.org
>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Packaging an Integrated Geospatial Stack
>>
>> Cameron,
>>
>> Had mentioned this in the discuss list before.
>> FOSS4G Toolkit ISO-Image can be downloaded from
>> http://wgrass.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/foss4g/
>>
>> You can directly download the ISO-Image from
>> http://wgrass.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/foss4g/download/
>>
>> Hope the ISO-CD can be uploaded to other sites (OSGEO) so as
>> save our bandwidth.
>>
>> The CD includes GRASS-GIS, MapServer, GDAL, OSSIM, QGIS,
>> PostGIS, Mapbuilder, Mapbender, Cartoweb, Appformap, kaMap,
>> Worldkit, Plone, PrimaGIS and also some GPS related RRM
>> packages. A simple (crude but it works) installer that can be
>> run to install all RPM packages and necessary tools libraries
>> for compiling packages like GRASS (5.0.3 and 6.0.2), Qgis
>> (0.74), GDAL1.3.1, PostGIS, Mapserver etc.
>>
>> The FOSS4G ISO-Image was developed and tested on Mandriva
>> Linux 2006. The Download edition of Mandriva 2006 has to be obtained
>> (http://wwwnew.mandriva.com/en/downloads/mirrors/2006) and
>> installed before installing the FOSS4G CD.
>>
>> Mapserver demos (data demos included in the CD) have been
>> tested with Mapserver4.6.2. We faced some problems while testing with
>> Mapserver4.8.2 especially with applications like AppforMap and
>> MapLab2.2 (with PHP5.04).
>> Hope someone could test the demos with Mapserver4.8.2 and
>> suggest fixes.
>>
>> ossim_1.6.4 and ossim_qt1.6.4 rpm and srpm are included.
>> ossim_plugin-1.6.4 could not be properly RPM packaged.
>> We have also not tried to package the osgplanet-1.6.4 and
>> related stuff.
>>
>> Amongst the OSGEO software projects, the CD contains all
>> packages expect GeoTools and MapGuide OS. Maybe in future
>> release we can include them too.
>>
>> Most of the remaining problems are due to our limited knowledge.
>> We would be happy to have if the CD could be tested and improved.
>>
>> RPM can be tested for other distributions too..
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Venka
>>
>>
>> Shorter, Cameron wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like http://pkg-grass.alioth.debian.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGIS are already doing a good job
>>> packaging GIS for the debian/ubuntu platform.
>>> We should ask them to consider joining the OSGeo Foundation.
>>>
>>> The Debian/Ubuntu GIS packaging could then be used to bootstrap a
>>> multi-platform Distribution project.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Frank Warmerdam [mailto:warmerdam at pobox.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:01 PM
>>>> To: discuss at mail.osgeo.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Packaging an Integrated
>>>>
>> Geospatial Stack
>>
>>>> Shorter, Cameron wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Frank,
>>>>> Your wiki is an excellent start.
>>>>> I think the next step is:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Cameron,
>>>>
>>>> I'd add a point zero in this list which is get someone involved to
>>>> lead the effort (at least for a while).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 1. Define specific user use cases for GIS software.
>>>>> Eg: A user has a shapefile and they want to display it to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the public
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> over the web using a basemap provided by someone else (eg Google).
>>>>> Ideally, we can get some users to help define the use
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> cases, then fund
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the Geospatial Stack project.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I see two general user categories:
>>>>
>>>> 1) desktop user, data visualization, analysis, etc.
>>>> 2) web application developer
>>>>
>>>> Given the nature of our project set, I suspect I'd target the web
>>>> application developer first. But I think the goal is to
>>>>
>> include as
>>
>>>> many OSGeo projects as are practical rather than just target a
>>>> specific user need.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2. Identify a set of milestones for the software stack.
>>>>> Eg: Release 1:
>>>>> * Postgis database
>>>>> * Geoserver/Mapserver WMS/WFS
>>>>> * Mapbuilder/Mapbender WMS/WFS client
>>>>>
>>>>> Release 2:
>>>>> Release 3: ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Identify target platform and distribution medium.
>>>>> Eg: Ubuntu linux, get incorporated into the core Ubuntu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> linux distribution.
>>>>
>>>> I have taken the position so far that on linux we should be
>>>> delivering a distribution agnostic software suite rather
>>>>
>> than trying
>>
>>>> to produce stuff for each distribution. For distribution
>>>> "integrated" solutions, I would suggest supporting
>>>>
>> existing efforts
>>
>>>> (such as the Debian GIS effort) but what I invisage from
>>>>
>> OSGeo is an
>>
>>>> "all included" suite that won't suffer from package
>>>>
>> dependency hell,
>>
>>>> as I've seen with some many other efforts. In this
>>>>
>> regard, I see the
>>
>>>> effort being more like FGS or FWTools than like Debian GIS
>>>>
>> or various
>>
>>>> efforts to provide specific RPMs for particular versions of
>>>> redhat/fedoracore.
>>>>
>>>> On windows I would also aim for an all-included approach without
>>>> people having to separately download and install components.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 4. Create a distribution project
>>>>> I think the distribution project should be treated in a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> similar manner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> to the other participating projects. It should contain
>>>>>
>> email lists,
>>
>>>>> bug trackers, Project Steering Committee etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I'd agree to a degree. I'm not so sure it should go through
>>>> incubation.
>>>> Or if it does, we can expect it to sit in incubation for
>>>>
>> quite some
>>
>>>> time till it developers a community. Actually, it sitting in
>>>> incubation for quite a while wouldn't be a terrible thing.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> --
>>>> ---------------------------------------+----------------------
>>>> ----------
>>>> ---------------------------------------+------
>>>> I set the clouds in motion - turn up | Frank Warmerdam,
>>>> warmerdam at pobox.com
>>>> light and sound - activate the windows |
>>>>
>> http://pobox.com/~warmerdam
>>
>>>> and watch the world go round - Rush | President OSGF,
>>>> http://osgeo.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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