[OSGeo-Discuss] Confusion in the FOSS4G brand [was Mapnik (GPX) vs MapServer/GeoServer (OGC)] [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Fri Nov 18 13:27:21 EST 2011

Frans,

The foss4g.org domain is now managed by OSGeo (the system
administration committee).  We have just been making year based
subdomains for the new "main" FOSS4G events; however, I
wouldn't personally mind having some links to other events using
the FOSS4G name.

I do not think we should be registering lots of country specific
foss4g domains though obviously local chapters can act under
their own initiative in such matters.

I understand Bruce's concerns, but OSGeo was permitted to use
the FOSS4G brand with the understanding that we would not act
to restrict it's use in other local events so I am not interested in
trying to keep it's use exclusive.  I would encourage adding something
to make local events a bit distinct.  (ie. FOSS4G CEE 2012 for the
planned event in central/eastern europe).

Best regards,
Frank

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:03 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org> wrote:
> based on history
>
> who will manage the domain, and what is the different between global FOSS4G
> event vs country's chapter FOSS4G?
>
> and how a local chapter event can be show in foss4g.org
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Venkatesh Raghavan
> <raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp> wrote:
>>
>> Mori-san,
>>
>> Nice to relive the 2004 Bangkok nostalgia!
>>
>> And FOSS4G related papers that we co-authored back in 2004 that can be
>> viewed at the links below;
>>
>>
>> http://dlisv03.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/infolib/user_contents/kiyo/DB00011169.pdf
>> http://gisws.media.osaka-cu.ac.jp/grass04/viewpaper.php?id=35
>>
>> And the more about the history of foss4g.org domain in thread below;
>>
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2007-October/000405.html
>> http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/conference_dev/2007-August/000379.html
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Venka
>>
>> On 2011/11/18 15:20, "Toru Mori (森 亮)" wrote:
>>
>> Bruce,
>>
>> Venka used the word "FOSS4G" in 2004 in Bangkok Thailand first time ever
>> on
>> globe, 2 years before the international conference in Lausanne. (Please
>> see
>> attached photo)
>> As a person co-working with Venka (inventor of "FOSS4G") for many years, I
>> know
>> he says that FOSS4G can be used by everybody who promotes "foss4g tools".
>> So
>> there is no restriction in using "FOSS4G" brand as long as promoting
>> foss4g tools.
>> It has been already used by many local chapters, conferences and
>> communities.
>> FOSS4G belongs to wider community, not to just only one "regal
>> organization".
>>
>> If you think "FOSS4G" should be used for only "international conference",
>> I
>> would suggest you come up with another naming, instead of FOSS4G.
>>
>> Toru Mori
>> OSGeo Japan/ Organizer of FOSS4G 2008-2011 Tokyo/Osaka
>>
>> On 2011/11/18, at 14:13, Bruce Bannerman wrote:
>>
>> > I don’t like the idea of having multiple variants to the FOSS4G name.
>> >
>> > I believe that it weakens and detracts from the value of FOSS4G as
>> > **the**
>> > international event that brings open source spatial people together in a
>> > ‘gathering of the tribes’.
>> >
>> > As a former organiser of FOSS4G-2009, if I was faced with the
>> > opportunity to
>> > again host the prestigious FOSS4G event, as things stand at present I
>> > would
>> > not get involved. This is due to the weakening of the brand and
>> > confusion in
>> > the marketplace. For example, do I go to FOSS4G, FOSS4G.AU, FOSS4G.US,
>> > FOSS4G.UK, FOSS4G.ID etc etc? What is the difference between them?
>> >
>> >
>> > We have colleagues who are trying to organise FOSS4G-2012. All of this
>> > discussion is making their job much, much harder than it needs to be.
>> >
>> > Lets get behind them and support their hard work. It is certainly not
>> > easy to
>> > organise such an event and takes considerable effort and devotion.
>> >
>> >
>> > By all means hold regional events. These are very important for
>> > spreading
>> > information.
>> >
>> > But please let’s find a different name.
>> >
>> >
>> > Bruce Bannerman
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 18/11/11 3:38 PM, "Frans Thamura"
>> <frans at meruvian.org
>> > <mailto:frans at meruvian.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> > got another idea
>> >
>> > should we buy foss4g.or.id <http://foss4g.or.id> for indonesia, and
>> > foss4g.jp
>> > <http://foss4g.jp> for japan?
>> >
>> > but i love have a consolidation work together
>> >
>> > F
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Frans Thamura <frans at meruvian.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > > i want to bring FOSS4G to bigger one, all related to GIS.. but based
>> > > on Open.
>> >
>> > I definitely second this.
>> > Without this concept, we would be isolated ourself from whole geospatial
>> > ocean.
>> >
>> >
>> > thx toru-san ..
>> >
>> > that will be honour for me to create FOSS4G Indonesia, i believe can
>> > start
>> > next year.. :)
>> >
>> > this is bigger scope and better value to conduct it
>> >
>> > but i still get unanswer question regarding to FOSS4G.org, why tokyo and
>> > osaka
>> > & korea are not in the website.
>> >
>> > which venka said that open to anyone to create local event using FOSS4G
>> > name.
>> >
>> > I think that will be cool, if here we can have subdomain, like
>> > jp.foss4g.org
>> > <http://jp.foss4g.org> or id.foss4g.org <http://id.foss4g.org>
>> > (indonesia)
>> >
>> > so all consolidated there..
>> >
>> > any idea for this request
>> >
>> > and i see also foss4g.org <http://foss4g.org> main website need touch to
>> > make
>> > it better, to bring wave to the world.
>> >
>> > any idea all?
>> >
>> > F
>> >
>> >
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