[OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] RE : Re: OSGEO4W future

Wed Sep 25 15:36:17 PDT 2013

Tamas,

I agree with you, Daniel and Jurgen that we would be focused on windows
though I am optimistic that OSGeo4W could also be a source for those trying
to make custom windows installers (ie. Portable GIS, what I used to do with
FWTools and possibly even Jeff with MS4W).

Once we have a PSC, we need to discuss direction and then nail a plan down
and agree to it.

Best regards,
Frank

On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Tamas Szekeres <szekerest at gmail.com> wrote:

> Frank,
>
> The RFC <http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo4w/wiki/rfc1_pmc> looks pretty good,
> thanks for putting that together. Once the PSC is formed, I'm keen on
> writing a second one where we could start thinking about the primary
> objectives and requirements of the system we should realize, I think we all
> have quite some ideas, and experiences in creating windows builds (both
> positive and negative) which makes it possible to find out the right
> direction to follow.
>
> I also think packaging on Windows is a different thing, other platforms
> may apply for a separate governance regarding to the binary distributions,
> there might be some common aspects, though.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tamas
>
>
>
> 2013/9/25 Frank Warmerdam <warmerdam at pobox.com>
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have initiated an RFC for a project management committee for
>> OSGeo4W.  I'd encourage everyone interested in participating to joint
>> the osgeo4w-dev mailing list and to continue detailed discussion
>> there.
>>
>>  http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/osgeo4w-dev
>>
>> I think this list (osgeo-discuss) is a great place to discuss linkages
>> between different packaging efforts.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:06 AM, Jo Cook <jocook at astuntechnology.com>
>> wrote:
>> > The newest version of Portable GIS doesn't require quite so many admin
>> > privileges, but I've also slimmed it down dramatically so it fits on a
>> > smaller USB stick, so it contains a lot less software (no gvsig, no
>> mysql
>> > etc). It is used extensively for training courses in the UK, without too
>> > many problems, and the new version should be better again as I have a
>> > windows 8 VM to test on at last.
>> >
>> > I'd like to bring Portable GIS in line with OSGeo4W and OSGeo Live- I've
>> > spoken to both Alex and Cameron about this in the past- but I have some
>> work
>> > to do before that's possible- namely around documenting exactly which
>> files
>> > I change, and also the build process. It's all in a local mercurial
>> > repository at the moment, but I'd really like to get it online. To be
>> > honest, my big concern is that I don't always have time to focus on
>> things
>> > outside of my core work (maybe that will change post FOSS4G) and I can't
>> > guarantee being able to pitch in at release time, or even respond to
>> issues
>> > in a timely manner. That's the main reason why I've kept it as a little
>> pet
>> > project- so I'm not letting anyone else down!
>> >
>> > Sorry, didn't mean to hijack this discussion!
>> >
>> > I think it makes sense to come up with an over-arching
>> > project/committee/whatever that covers both OSGeo4W and OSGeo-Live, and
>> > maybe PortableGIS at some point, rather than separate projects. It's
>> always
>> > better to share work rather than replicate it. Does anyone have any
>> > objections to that idea? Personally, I'd then sketch out the workflows
>> for
>> > each, and figure out what make-up of committee would be required to
>> oversee
>> > that and go through incubation.
>> >
>> > Jo
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Alex Mandel <
>> tech_dev at wildintellect.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 09/24/2013 12:50 AM, Johan Van de Wauw wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Angelos Tzotsos <
>> gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Daniel,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I am in favor of both OSGeoLive and OSGeo4W going through a few
>> weeks
>> >> >> incubation process.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Best,
>> >> >> Angelos
>> >> >>
>> >> > My own impression is that if we want to reach out to non-geek GIS
>> >> > users the ideal way would be a system like portable GIS with the
>> great
>> >> > documentation of the live dvd, ie run and test the programs without
>> >> > needing to be admin or having to install different programs.
>> >>
>> >> I've researched this problem, talked with Jo (Current author of
>> >> PortableGIS http://www.archaeogeek.com/portable-gis.html)
>> >>
>> >> There is almost no way to make this work without Admin priveleges on a
>> >> windows machine. Some individual apps can be made to work by
>> extensively
>> >> modifying how they look for libs but many require things like a jvm to
>> >> run on top of, or a mix of system an local libs (e.g. Visual C++ is
>> >> required for many OSGeo4W apps and requires an install, that's actually
>> >> about the only part that has to be installed vs just in the OSGeo4w
>> >> folder).
>> >>
>> >> This is actually why I settled on helping create OSGeo Live bootable
>> >> products and virtual machines. Of course this isn't perfect either as
>> >> figuring out how to boot a disk or usb seems beyond some users, and the
>> >> virtual machine still hits needing admin to install virtualization
>> >> software.
>> >>
>> >> I also agree there's no reason many of the documentation efforts can't
>> >> be shared.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Alex
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>> >
>> >
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