[OSGeo-Discuss] WebCom discussions

Fri Sep 27 16:30:29 PDT 2013

The translation tools Drupal 7+ look quite good. On the flipside there's
much discussion of Pootle[1]

I was more thinking of splitting out the core site functions (Classic
CMS with feeds) from some other components that are separate apps in a way.

Anyways I'm meeting with Dave (my Drupal coworker) next week. If you
have a good list of Apps/Functions/Services from the site that we can go
through in planning and testing a move that would help.

Thanks,
Alex

[1] http://pootle.translatehouse.org/

On 09/27/2013 01:52 PM, Ian Edwards wrote:
> agreed - we should keep implementation options open at this stage, I'm
> equally happy with Django and I'll try to help with other options if
> they're chosen.
> 
> I'll do some investigations into Drupal 8's multilingual support and see if
> it supports the following requirement:
> "We have to keep in mind that translation is being done by a growing bunch
> of people who have little or no technical background. We need this to be
> bullet proof and we need well defined processes on how to create
> translations and whether or how to translate news / community spotlights,
> etc." [1]
> 
> I'll report back on the WebCom list
> 
> [1] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/202
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Alex Mandel <tech_dev at wildintellect.com>wrote:
> 
>> Ian,
>>
>> That plan is I think the same conclusion I had reached. That some parts
>> of the site simply need to be recoded, and I would open that it does not
>> necessarily have to be drupal if we have experts in other platforms
>> willing to jump in, things like the Service directory can easily be
>> django or other platforms heavily used in the community.
>>
>> Our current goal, is to move the current site as is if possible over to
>> the OSUOSL hosted machines. We hit a snag in PHP being too new for the
>> older drupal and it broke some stuff. www.osgeo2.org  I think it is.
>> If we can pull that off it would allow us to retire osgeo1 which is
>> somewhat expensive to run, and would potentially free up funds to put
>> towards re-coding of the site.
>>
>> FYI, if you feel Webcom needs a project management tool, how about a
>> Trac instance?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On 09/27/2013 03:31 AM, Ian Edwards wrote:
>>> Thanks Alex, Frank. I'm happy to leave the project management tools
>>> (basecamp) alone and lean more on SAC.  I'm also keen to make extensive
>> use
>>> of the wiki pages and to fill in missing documentation as we go.
>>>
>>> Looking through our custom Drupal modules I believe that we're unlikely
>> to
>>> find an upgrade path that will work - I suspect we're looking at a
>> detailed
>>> investigation of the functionality of the current site, followed by a
>>> rebuild in Drupal 8 and automating the migration of content across.  We
>> can
>>> have several attempts at this in a development environment before
>>> performing live migration tests and then making the decision to move
>> across
>>> to the new site when all of the requirements have been met.  Alex - I'm
>>> very interested in hearing the thoughts of your Drupal colleague.  If he
>>> agrees with this route then I think we should get started and we can use
>>> WebCom to report regular progress on the specifics.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Alex Mandel <
>> tech_dev at wildintellect.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 09/26/2013 02:10 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Alex Mandel <
>> tech_dev at wildintellect.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/26/2013 05:26 AM, Ian Edwards wrote:
>>>>>>> To make more concrete progress on the larger issues facing WebCom I'd
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> to start some closed discussions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have experience with the admin of any of the OSGeo
>>>> infrastructure
>>>>>>> then please join us.  We'll report back progress on the open WebCom
>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>> list. Sensitive information about the systems will be thoroughly
>>>>>> documented
>>>>>>> and tested and will become a closed resource for the team moving
>>>>>> forwards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please reply off list and I'll add you to the discussion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Webcom to my knowledge has been inactive for several years, are you
>> the
>>>>>> new Chair? The infrastructure you refer to has all been handled by
>>>>>> members of the System Administration committee. Everything except
>>>>>> security information (passwords) is publicly on the OSGeo Wiki if
>>>>>> someone has taken the time to write it up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alex,
>>>>>
>>>>> Webcom still notionally exists even if it is somewhat moribund.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ian has agreed to assist with the migration of Drupal, aspects of which
>>>>> touch on SAC.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Excellent, I think it might be best to discuss how to get it done on the
>>>> SAC list as Martin and I are the most familiar with the situation and
>>>> have roughly attempted to do this task before getting distracted by
>>>> other things (we can probably find old message thread for background).
>>>> Once it's migrated I'm happy to let Webcom figure out what they want to
>>>> change on a running site.
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it would be all that helpful for Ian to struggle with
>>>> whether
>>>>> there ought to be a webcom, or if it is a SAC issue or a marketting
>>>>> committee issue.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agreed, revamp of the drupal site just needs to happen.
>>>>
>>>>> It is hopefully just about migrating Drupal and possibly doing some
>>>> updates
>>>>> to the web site - particularly as needed to make things work with a
>> newer
>>>>> drupal.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right, I actually have someone who looked at it briefly (A drupal expert
>>>> I work with), the trouble was we didn't have all the non-standard Drupal
>>>> add-ons documented, so its hard to figure out how to keep them working
>>>> right. If we feed him the right info, I can bug him to get it done or
>>>> give us a quote if it'll cost some hours.
>>>>
>>>>> That said, I'm non-plussed by this idea of "closed" discussions and use
>>>> of
>>>>> some thing called basecamp.  Ian - why are closed discussions valuable
>>>>> other than the need to be protective of a few passwords?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree, no need for basecamp (I do know what it is). We have a wiki and
>>>> should use it.
>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Alex
>>>>
>>
>>
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