[OSGeo-Discuss] WebCom discussions

Eli Adam eadam at co.lincoln.or.us
Fri Sep 27 16:49:14 PDT 2013 

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Alex Mandel <tech_dev at wildintellect.com> wrote:
> The translation tools Drupal 7+ look quite good. On the flipside there's
> much discussion of Pootle[1]

I think that udig and geopaparazzi switched to
https://www.transifex.com/ for translation.

Eli

>
> I was more thinking of splitting out the core site functions (Classic
> CMS with feeds) from some other components that are separate apps in a way.
>
> Anyways I'm meeting with Dave (my Drupal coworker) next week. If you
> have a good list of Apps/Functions/Services from the site that we can go
> through in planning and testing a move that would help.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
>
> [1] http://pootle.translatehouse.org/
>
> On 09/27/2013 01:52 PM, Ian Edwards wrote:
>> agreed - we should keep implementation options open at this stage, I'm
>> equally happy with Django and I'll try to help with other options if
>> they're chosen.
>>
>> I'll do some investigations into Drupal 8's multilingual support and see if
>> it supports the following requirement:
>> "We have to keep in mind that translation is being done by a growing bunch
>> of people who have little or no technical background. We need this to be
>> bullet proof and we need well defined processes on how to create
>> translations and whether or how to translate news / community spotlights,
>> etc." [1]
>>
>> I'll report back on the WebCom list
>>
>> [1] http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/202
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Alex Mandel <tech_dev at wildintellect.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Ian,
>>>
>>> That plan is I think the same conclusion I had reached. That some parts
>>> of the site simply need to be recoded, and I would open that it does not
>>> necessarily have to be drupal if we have experts in other platforms
>>> willing to jump in, things like the Service directory can easily be
>>> django or other platforms heavily used in the community.
>>>
>>> Our current goal, is to move the current site as is if possible over to
>>> the OSUOSL hosted machines. We hit a snag in PHP being too new for the
>>> older drupal and it broke some stuff. www.osgeo2.org  I think it is.
>>> If we can pull that off it would allow us to retire osgeo1 which is
>>> somewhat expensive to run, and would potentially free up funds to put
>>> towards re-coding of the site.
>>>
>>> FYI, if you feel Webcom needs a project management tool, how about a
>>> Trac instance?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/27/2013 03:31 AM, Ian Edwards wrote:
>>>> Thanks Alex, Frank. I'm happy to leave the project management tools
>>>> (basecamp) alone and lean more on SAC.  I'm also keen to make extensive
>>> use
>>>> of the wiki pages and to fill in missing documentation as we go.
>>>>
>>>> Looking through our custom Drupal modules I believe that we're unlikely
>>> to
>>>> find an upgrade path that will work - I suspect we're looking at a
>>> detailed
>>>> investigation of the functionality of the current site, followed by a
>>>> rebuild in Drupal 8 and automating the migration of content across.  We
>>> can
>>>> have several attempts at this in a development environment before
>>>> performing live migration tests and then making the decision to move
>>> across
>>>> to the new site when all of the requirements have been met.  Alex - I'm
>>>> very interested in hearing the thoughts of your Drupal colleague.  If he
>>>> agrees with this route then I think we should get started and we can use
>>>> WebCom to report regular progress on the specifics.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Alex Mandel <
>>> tech_dev at wildintellect.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/26/2013 02:10 PM, Frank Warmerdam wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Alex Mandel <
>>> tech_dev at wildintellect.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/26/2013 05:26 AM, Ian Edwards wrote:
>>>>>>>> To make more concrete progress on the larger issues facing WebCom I'd
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> to start some closed discussions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you have experience with the admin of any of the OSGeo
>>>>> infrastructure
>>>>>>>> then please join us.  We'll report back progress on the open WebCom
>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>> list. Sensitive information about the systems will be thoroughly
>>>>>>> documented
>>>>>>>> and tested and will become a closed resource for the team moving
>>>>>>> forwards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please reply off list and I'll add you to the discussion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Webcom to my knowledge has been inactive for several years, are you
>>> the
>>>>>>> new Chair? The infrastructure you refer to has all been handled by
>>>>>>> members of the System Administration committee. Everything except
>>>>>>> security information (passwords) is publicly on the OSGeo Wiki if
>>>>>>> someone has taken the time to write it up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alex,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Webcom still notionally exists even if it is somewhat moribund.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ian has agreed to assist with the migration of Drupal, aspects of which
>>>>>> touch on SAC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Excellent, I think it might be best to discuss how to get it done on the
>>>>> SAC list as Martin and I are the most familiar with the situation and
>>>>> have roughly attempted to do this task before getting distracted by
>>>>> other things (we can probably find old message thread for background).
>>>>> Once it's migrated I'm happy to let Webcom figure out what they want to
>>>>> change on a running site.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think it would be all that helpful for Ian to struggle with
>>>>> whether
>>>>>> there ought to be a webcom, or if it is a SAC issue or a marketting
>>>>>> committee issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed, revamp of the drupal site just needs to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is hopefully just about migrating Drupal and possibly doing some
>>>>> updates
>>>>>> to the web site - particularly as needed to make things work with a
>>> newer
>>>>>> drupal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Right, I actually have someone who looked at it briefly (A drupal expert
>>>>> I work with), the trouble was we didn't have all the non-standard Drupal
>>>>> add-ons documented, so its hard to figure out how to keep them working
>>>>> right. If we feed him the right info, I can bug him to get it done or
>>>>> give us a quote if it'll cost some hours.
>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, I'm non-plussed by this idea of "closed" discussions and use
>>>>> of
>>>>>> some thing called basecamp.  Ian - why are closed discussions valuable
>>>>>> other than the need to be protective of a few passwords?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree, no need for basecamp (I do know what it is). We have a wiki and
>>>>> should use it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Alex
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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