[OSGeo-Discuss] Hacking OSGeo

Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
Sun Sep 14 08:20:14 PDT 2014

Looking forward to see things happen.

Good luck


2014-09-14 17:07 GMT+02:00 Andrew Ross <andrew.ross at eclipse.org>:
> Dear Jachym, Everyone
> Just a few quite thoughts.
> I encourage anyone who has concerns, or fears anything resembling a
> take-over to please speak up on the list, off-list with any other person
> from OSGeo & me, or even just me in private. We, people involved with both
> OSGeo & LocationTech, have been talking for roughly 2 years. I don't think
> everyone is fully aware of the fact that at each step collaboration was
> possible, we approached the OSGeo board & other leaders in the community
> discretely to talk about it and once there was a rough plan,
> followed-through publicly such as bidding on FOSS4G 2014, organizing FOSS4G
> NA 2015. I can't think of anything that was done improperly. We're very open
> to feedback in public or private about this.
> The team organizing & assembling the program for FOSS4G NA 2015 is a team of
> 11 people volunteering from the community. These are people well known to
> OSGeo and many have participated in past FOSS4G teams. They are freed up
> from the burden of the logistics of organizing the conference by Anne
> Jacko's team at the Eclipse Foundation who organizes conferences for a
> living. I believe that there will be more "control" in such a circumstance.
> For what it's worth, when discussing with the OSGeo board yesterday we
> noticed obvious signs of this like much more prominent mention of OSGeo &
> OSGeo's logo on the FOSS4G NA web site. Also, FOSS4G NA 2015 speakers will
> get free passes. We hope this is seen as a nice positive step forward.
> Kind regards,
> Andrew
> On 14/09/14 07:25, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
>> Guys,
>> as long as I understand it: "some members of the community" are scared
>> of LocationTech "taking over" whatever (FOSS4G conference, OSGeo
>> projects and community). This can be based on real action, taken on
>> either site, unofficial statement, misunderstandings or personal
>> dislikes.
>> Yesterday, we had short (about 2hours) face 2 face discussion with
>> Andrew here in PDX (me, Vasile, Jeff and Gerald) and I personally
>> believe, that it is not in interest of LocationTech to "crush" OSGeo
>> or FOSS4G conference. It was clearly stated, that LocationTech would
>> like to contribute to FOSS4G and make it to better conference,
>> regarding (again) "some remarks" of "some members of the community"
>> (including myself), that the way, FOSS4G is organised, does not
>> necessary meet some of the community aspects, we would like to stress.
>> I would like to note, that the discussion was very open on both sides,
>> still calm and productive.
>> "To contribute" of course means "to work" and LocationTech is anything
>> but volunteer driven organisation. It has been stated, that FOSS4G-NA
>> next year will be organised primarily by LocationTech, but OSGeo willl
>> be represented clearly and (so to say) loudly.
>> This could be one of the firsts steps towards closer cooperation
>> between LocationTech and OSGeo.
>> Everybody is aware, that on some points, LocationTech is not that
>> good, as OSGeo currently is. OSGeo is certainly failing in other
>> things. Looking for ways, how to strengthen common strengths and
>> weaken our weaknesses should have "non-zero-sum" effect.
>> We, as OSGeo shall later evaluate, whether the price for helping us
>> LocationTech with conferences (regardless if on regional or global
>> level), was too hight or quite ok. In case of disagreement, we shall
>> try to find solution for the next time.
>> In the worst case, we find out, that cooperation is not possible and
>> everybody can go it's way than.
>> I hope, you get my point(s) and that I did not misinterpreted
>> anything, what was said.
>> Thank you
>> Jachym
>> 2014-09-14 10:07 GMT+02:00 Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde at osgis.nl>:
>>> Barend,
>>> I'm talking about the "burn-out" signals that have been given recently by
>>> the current LOC (mostly because they have to re-invent the wheel every year
>>> and do a lot more than can be expected from them).
>>> So IMHO organising it this way is not sustainable in the long run, past
>>> organisers will not come back for a second round. It simply has gotten too
>>> big to organise it this way.
>>> There have been many related threads on the conference committee about
>>> this recently.
>>> Sorry if my brief summary does not reflect all of those discussions.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Bart
>>> On 14 Sep 2014, at 09:10, <b.j.kobben at utwente.nl> <b.j.kobben at utwente.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>>> What actually do you perceive to be the "problem with FOSS4G
>>>> organising"?
>>>> I see it being a rather succesful, pretty large conference for the last
>>>> two years, bringing in a substantial amount of income to OSGEO. One
>>>> might
>>>> perceive it as being "not the same as it used to be", but that is
>>>> because
>>>> size DOES matter, and once such a thing grows over a certain size (I
>>>> guess
>>>> around 700+ participants or so), you just cant have the "informal cosy
>>>> event" that used to be...
>>>> Yours,
>>>> Barend
>>>> --
>>>> Barend Köbben
>>>> Senior Lecturer - ITC-University of Twente
>>>> PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede (Netherlands)
>>>> @barendkobben
>>>> On 13-09-2014 23:51, "Bart van den Eijnden" <bartvde at osgis.nl> wrote:
>>>>> Okay then I have 2 follow-up questions for you and/or Jeff:
>>>>> 1) do you acknowledge we have a problem with FOSS4G organising?
>>>>> 2) what other solutions to this problem do you see and why are they
>>>>> better than co-organising with Eclipse/LocationTech?
>>>>> Bart
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> On 14 sep. 2014, at 03:25, Venkatesh Raghavan
>>>>>> <raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear All,
>>>>>>> On 2014/09/14 0:11, Jeff McKenna wrote:
>>>>>>> Responding to your comment, we now work closely with several
>>>>>>> foundations (ISPRS, ICA, GLTN, and soon GSDI, are examples that I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> met with recently personally).
>>>>>>> There does seem to be something different about the way LocationTech
>>>>>>> is handing this, seems somewhat 'rushed' or 'forced', and I am not
>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>> why this pressure.  Maybe we can slow things down a bit, take the
>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>> off the throttle, sign an MoU, maybe have booths at each other's
>>>>>>> events...similar to how OSGeo works already with these other
>>>>>>> foundations.
>>>>>> I fully agree with views expressed by Jeff.
>>>>>> I look forward growing collaborations with
>>>>>> OSGeo and other international organizations
>>>>>> in a systematic and orderly manner.
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Venka
>>>>>>> We can talk about this shortly.
>>>>>>> -jeff
>>>>>>>> On 2014-09-13 7:51 AM, Andrew Ross wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dear Jeff, Everyone,
>>>>>>>> I'll drop in to help as well. I may be a little late as I promised
>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>> children a video chat. I apologize as I'd like to be there and help.
>>>>>>>> For what it's worth, regarding the tag line agenda item, OSGeo is
>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>> from the only open source community. Unaffiliated projects in Github
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>> claim that for example. It might be better to aim for something a
>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>> more distinct.
>>>>>>>> See you soon,
>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>> On September 12, 2014 7:28:08 PM PDT, Jeff McKenna
>>>>>>>> <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>    For the record Arnulf forgot that the Board meeting starts at 8am
>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>    same location, discussing of course the exact topics that he
>>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>>    (http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2014-09-13).  But
>>>>>>>> please
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>    let me hinder your energy, definitely tackle the areas that need
>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>    (reviving the marketting committee, picking your favorite project
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>    incubation and give some nudges...lots to do!)
>>>>>>>>    Thanks, see you early at the sprint.
>>>>>>>>    PS. the Board meeting, and any Board meeting, is open to anyone
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>    everyone.
>>>>>>>>    -jeff
>>>>>>>>    On 2014-09-12 9:25 AM, Seven wrote:
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>>>>>>>>        Folks,
>>>>>>>>        if anybody indicates interest in hacking OSGeo at the code
>>>>>>>> sprint in
>>>>>>>>        Portland tomorrow please answer.
>>>>>>>>        In past years we have brain stormed around Marketing,
>>>>>>>> Sponsorship,
>>>>>>>>        Education, Data (specifically how OSGeo can support the Open
>>>>>>>> Data
>>>>>>>>        model) and so on. It is a aunique opportunity to evolve OSGeo
>>>>>>>> as an
>>>>>>>>        organization and I would be happy to contribute to anything
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>        might
>>>>>>>>        want to achieve for within and around OSGeo as an
>>>>>>>> organization.
>>>>>>>>        This can also include how (or rather if at all) OSGeo manages
>>>>>>>>        FOSS4G.
>>>>>>>>        In my experience the day directly after the event is the best
>>>>>>>>        time to
>>>>>>>>        actually do this, impressions are still fresh and lots of
>>>>>>>> ideas have
>>>>>>>>        popped up. If we do not invest some time into realizing them
>>>>>>>> we are
>>>>>>>>        not going to get anywhere. So if you think OSGeo needs a push
>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>>        certain direction, join. There will be representatives from
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>        board
>>>>>>>>        of directors, the president (I guess you are there Jeff,
>>>>>>>> right?) and
>>>>>>>>        other folks in key roles. It is probably the only time in the
>>>>>>>> year
>>>>>>>>        when you will get so many bright OSGeo folks in one place.
>>>>>>>>        Here is a link to drop your ideas. Its a Wiki, just go hack
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>        as you
>>>>>>>>        like:
>>>>>>>>        http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Hack_2014
>>>>>>>>        Cheers,
>>>>>>>>        Arnulf
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