[OSGeo-Discuss] Discussion on statement : avoiding slang. Was: Drafting a Diversity statement for the foundation (call for input)

Fri Apr 3 04:06:44 PDT 2015

I've been reading a lot of CoC statements over the last few days, and 
can see how there has been a continual refinement with each new version 
over time.

2010: Geek Feminism Anti Harassment Policy, 
http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment_policy

2012: JSConf Code of Conduct, http://jsconf.com/codeofconduct.html

2012: O'Reilly Code of Conduct, 
http://www.oreilly.com/conferences/code-of-conduct.html

April 2014: Debian Code of Conduct, https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct

Dec 2014: Apache CoC, 
https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/conduct.html

I like the Apache CoC, which is well written, and refines and extends 
the best of prior CoCs.

My thoughts are now moving toward adopting a CoC based on this Apache CoC.

On 3/04/2015 5:38 pm, Eli Adam wrote:
>> With so many variants on the CoC/Diversity Statement, it would be great if a
>> international standard could be created, such as done for Open Source
>> Licenses.
> I think that there are a few CoC consolidation efforts like that
> currently, here is one [4] and another [5] that reference the first.
> I can't find all the links right now but recall them from the past.
> There was some OSM work to make one specific to mailing lists [6].
> Here are a handful of additional CoCs too [7], [8], [9], [10].
>
> CoC is inherently different than licenses.  Licenses have
> compatibility issues and there are strong forces which promote
> well-known compatible licenses.  Various companies have lawyers review
> licenses for compatibility too.  There is no concept of compatibility
> in CoC, nor are diverse legal resources dedicated to it.  So CoC is a
> realm (unlike licenses) where everyone can have their just slightly
> different CoC without causing incompatibility.  Despite the
> variability, all strive to promote a safe, productive, functioning
> community for all.
>
> Eli
>
>
> [4] http://citizencodeofconduct.org/
> [5] http://www.rust-lang.org/conduct.html
> [6] https://github.com/osmlab/codes-of-conduct/blob/master/mailing_lists/code_of_conduct.md
> [7] https://github.com/codeforamerica/codeofconduct
> [8] https://github.com/twitter/code-of-conduct
> [9] https://github.com/python/pycon-code-of-conduct
> [10] https://github.com/selenamarie/conference_policies (list of
> others, mostly ~2012)
>
>
>
>
>> [1] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Draft_OSGeo_Code_of_Conduct
>> [2] http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Debian_Code_of_Conduct
>> [3]
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Diversity#Geek_Feminism_Template_Anti_Harassment_Policy
>>
>>
>> On 31/03/2015 5:40 pm, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I agree. Diversity also refers to language. We have to start reason on
>> that as a richness and not as a barrier. I like to have this item in the
>> CoC.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Best.
>>
>> Maria
>>
>>
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>> Oggetto: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Discussion on statement : avoiding slang. Was:
>> Drafting a Diversity statement for the foundation (call for input)
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> My experience within OSGeo was positive so far. At FOSS4G, sometimes people
>> forget, that half of the crowd speaks English only occasionally, which can
>> lead to misunderstandings.
>>
>> Anyway: I would like to point out, that it is not only matter of writing,
>> but also talking (at foss4gs, sprints, ...) In public but also in private,
>> what can be even harder than writing (you can not take your time to figure
>> out the best way how to express, what you need).
>>
>> And yes, having something like that in CoC would be nice.
>>
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015, 22:00 Andrea Aime <andrea.aime at geo-solutions.it>
>> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:40 PM, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks all for the feedback.
>> So my question is:
>> 1. Should our Code of Conduct/Diversity statement mention that we have a
>> multilingual community?
>>
>> I believe it's still a good idea.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. What should we recommend that all, and especially native speakers do to
>> make our community welcoming to non-native speakers?
>>
>> I'd suggest, just a reminder that the level of written English can vary a
>> lot, ranging from cases where the lack of fluency is
>>
>> evident, to cases where the sentence seems just too direct/rude, so
>> generally speaking, it's a good idea to try and be patient
>>
>> and understanding.
>>
>> Sometimes I wish there was a guide of typical expectations/orientations
>> varying culture by culture, to try
>>
>> and understand better where people are coming from and put what they say in
>> context (this example
>>
>>   might be wrong or just a silly generalizations, but just to give you an
>> idea, I've heard
>>
>> Japanese normally won't say no in a conversation, you have to figure it out,
>> and other cultures surely
>>
>> have their "surprising" traits as well).
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Andrea
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