[OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Thu Jul 9 04:05:06 PDT 2015

Hello Sanghee,

I am saddened that you removed the entire presentation, for I think,
overall, it was a good idea. I apologize for my role in that result.

I encourage in the BOF the idea to potentially review key conference
marketing material with an eye toward the messaging before it goes public,
be discussed. Perhaps OSGeo could create a multi-cultural conference
marketing committee for this purpose?

Finally, one of my goals at FOSS4G EU co-leading the GeoForAll discussions
will be to help to identify what the GeoForAll community does in Seoul
during BOF and other open conference times.

I wish you nothing but the best in your upcoming conference.

Respectfully,

Charlie Schweik

On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Sanghee Shin <shshin at gaia3d.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> I’d like to report updates on our discussion.
>
> 1. Regarding CoC offline discussion at FOSS4G Seoul, we may have
> discussion at BOF meeting[0]. I believe Jeff already marked the timeslot
> there on 16th September. If you need more timeslots, just add to the BOF
> wiki please. Also if you want have any BOF meeting during FOSS4G Seoul,
> please add your plan to the wiki page.
>
> 2. I removed my controversial(?) presentation from the main page. I think
> it was too outdated and  not so attractive. It’s now time to promote
> through FOSS4G Seoul program itself. You may see new main page there[1].
>
> Your attending and participation is very crucial to the success of FOSS4G
> Seoul. Please register FOSS4G Seoul(
> http://2015.foss4g.org/attending/registration/) and meet up in Seoul
> altogether!!
>
> All the best,
>
> Sanghee
>
> [0]http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_2015_BirdsOfAFeather
> [1]http://2015.foss4g.org/
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>
> 2015. 6. 25., 오전 9:34, Sanghee Shin <shshin at gaia3d.com> 작성:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Thank you for all your great opinions, advices and inputs through this
> mailing lists and through to my private mail. I think we’ve discussed
> enough on this.
>
> I agree with Maria and Maxi’s suggestion to have a offline discussion time
> in Seoul. I’ll explore the possibility whether we can have that spaces
> before/during/after FOSS4G Seoul and will report to you.
>
> And I also agree with some advices that because my presentation was highly
> dependent on verbal explanation, it not so effective itself to deliver my
> clear intention. I’ll think about how to handle this.
>
> Thanks again for great and wonderful inputs.
>
> How about having a break for while?
>
> All the best,
>
> Sanghee
> ---
> Sanghee Shin, Chair of FOSS4G 2015 Seoul
> "Toward Diversity! FOSS4G Bigbang from Seoul!"
> http://2015.foss4g.org
> Twitter: @foss4g
> Facebook: FOSS4G2015
> email: foss4gchair at osgeo.org
>
>
>
> 2015. 6. 25., 오전 9:22, Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
> 작성:
>
> Once again I express my opinion:
> I think that OSGeo shall express and support a CoC that is respecting
> diversity in any form, but we don not have the right to censure anything.
>
> If something really bad happens than someone will take action based on the
> agreed CoC.
> Do we really want to argue about the images and content of anyone
> presentation?
>
> The community is the best referee of the conduct of its members not a
> bunch of people deciding what is good or not.
>
> And YES, we can discuss it in Seoul to find a way to rise attention to the
> CoC and discuss more (but friendly and with respect of diversity  ;-) )
>
>
> Maxi
>
>
>
> 2015-06-25 10:07 GMT+02:00 Pat Tressel <ptressel at myuw.net>:
>
>> I hesitate to step into the "sexism in tech" debate, but...  There may be
>> some recent events that folks aren't aware of, that may be relevant -- some
>> specifically have to do with conferences.  This list is not R-rated, so
>> rather than directly describe the relevant events, I'll just give you
>> search queries that will bring them up:
>>
>> "PyCon donglegate"
>> "TechCrunch sexism"
>> "Pax Dickenson brogrammer"
>> "GamerGate"
>>
>> Those are only tips of the iceberg -- they are specific symptoms of a
>> more general attitude.  I've listed them in order of seriousness.  I expect
>> that these will get the "that's just PC" objection, but are threats of rape
>> and murder really just "for fun"?  And if the objection is that women just
>> just force their way into tech, I have two words for you:  hiring manager.
>> And no, not all of us have the resources to start our own companies.
>> Venture funding is rarely offered to women.
>>
>> When I worked as a software engineer for Digital Equipment Corporation
>> (DEC) in the 90s, the group I was in was half women.  No, not secretaries
>> and support staff -- engineers.  But there was a difference in attitude,
>> which one can see in the fact that although DEC ceased to exist in 1998
>> (sold to Compaq), we *still have reunions* and active social networks.  The
>> switch to deliberately provoking competition and infighting between
>> employees, via stack ranking and similar management fads, is exacerbating
>> the rise of sexism in tech -- there is now an aspect of "us against them".
>> Because employment is a zero-sum game, (re)entry of women in tech would
>> mean fewer positions and less money for men.  (Competing against other men
>> doesn't trigger the same level of response since men are already in the
>> pool -- it's the thought of the pool *doubling* that is causing this
>> fear.)  Since this style of management (stemming from Jack Welch) is taught
>> in b-schools, it will take some time to turn the ship around.  But there
>> are some signs of light:  Microsoft recently cancelled stack ranking, and
>> is making a significant effort to reestablish teamwork and cooperation.
>> That took being publicly shamed (see the article in Vanity Fair, titled ~
>> "How Stack Ranking Killed Innovation at Microsoft") and a new CEO (Satya
>> Nadella, replacing Steve Ballmer).
>>
>> There's also plain old bias.  This research by Google HR is fascinating:
>> https://www.gv.com/lib/unconscious-bias-at-work
>> Watch especially where ~ the entire audience, men and women both, fails
>> the test, right there on camera...
>>
>>
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