[OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Wed Jun 24 05:35:43 PDT 2015

Le mercredi 24 juin 2015 13:29:43, Gert-Jan van der Weijden - Stichting 
OSGeo.nl a écrit :
> In my opinion as well there is not a problem, especially since both
> pictures are used within a certain context. However, I realize I'm looking
> through a Western-european, liberal cultural perspective.
> 
> Perhaps someone from for instance the Senegal local OSGeo chapter can
> comment on this from a different cultural point of view?
> 

This is tricky. I'm afraid that If you take the lowest common denominator of 
all cultures of the world, you will be able to do little (what is polite in a 
culture might be rude in another one, and vice versa). I think that people 
going to a foreign country should be ready to face things that might not be 
accepted in their own country/culture and deal with it. The only clear red 
line is that you can never force someone from doing something he doesn't want 
to.

There can also have "marketing" considerations into account. If one wants to 
target an audience from a certain culture, then adjusting your way of behaving 
to it might be a good choice (but might deter others...)

That said, I'm a bit like Pedro-Juan when looking at the slides. Not shoked, 
but wondering "why this painting ? (is it exhibited in Seoul?), why this group 
of women ?" when seeing them, because not familiar enough with Seoul/South 
Korea

Looking further in the slides I can also see pictures of beverages, some of 
them I suspect might contain alcohool. I guess that could make some people 
unconfortable too...

In the code of conduct, it is mentionned "assume good intentions", so I'd say 
let's do it for the LOC and let them do their job in peace.

Even

> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gert-Jan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org
> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] Namens Peter Baumann Verzonden:
> woensdag 24 juni 2015 13:12
> Aan: Jeroen Ticheler; Sanghee Shin
> CC: OSGeo Discussions; Conference Dev
> Onderwerp: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [OSGeo-Conf] Code of Conduct in Real Case
> 
> +1
> -Peter
> 
> On 06/24/15 13:01, Jeroen Ticheler wrote:
> > Dear Sanghee,
> > 
> > In my opinion these are perfectly fine. But could you please remove a
> > couple of other pictures picturing OSGeo developers (male dominated,
> > generalizing men as nerds)?
> > 
> > ;-) Joking apart, I’ve not been in favor of the CoC in the first place. I
> > think it creates more unwanted side effects (like this request to remove
> > art or remove single sex pictures) than that it prevents a person with
> > bad intentions to refrain from them. A plan for the LOC on how to deal
> > with a person acting offensively makes more sense to me. I trust our
> > community members are able to behave as sensitive and sensible people
> > that can auto-regulate issues like this in the same way we collaborate
> > in FOSS projects.
> > 
> > The CoC has been established, not sure if it was adopted by the OSGeo
> > board? If it was, we have to deal with it, so this discussion may be
> > useful indeed. Otherwise, I vote for removing the CoC again and work
> > towards a plan for LOC’s to deal with offensive behavior towards others.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Jeroen
> > 
> >> On 24 jun. 2015, at 12:22, Sanghee Shin <shshin at gaia3d.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Dear All,
> >> 
> >> It’s now time to apply OSGeo CoC(Code of Conduct)[0] in real case.
> >> 
> >> I was asked to remove a few slides from my presentation "7 Reasons why
> >> you should come to FOSS4G 2015 Seoul”[1], which is at the main page of
> >> FOSS4G Seoul, as being possibly offensive to women. Specifically to
> >> say, slide #6 (nude female in painting) and slide #20 (row of female
> >> models) are those controversial ones.
> >> 
> >> I refused this asking immediately because I don’t believe my
> >> presentation breach the OSGeo CoC and I don’t agree with that view.
> >> 
> >> However since this is not the first time asking me to remove those
> >> slides from my presentation and OSGeo now have CoC, I think we’d better
> >> discuss this issue more openly to reach conclusions.
> >> 
> >> I might be wrong and I’d like to hear other people’s opinion on this
> >> from all around the world. Also I expect Conference Committee’s input
> >> as well, because this is the matter of OSGeo conference.
> >> 
> >> I’m open to remove/amend/keep those slides after hearing other people’s
> >> opinions on this. Also I believe it’ll be a great chance for OSGeo to
> >> learn how to apply CoC in real cases.
> >> 
> >> *Sidenote for defending myself:
> >> - Slide #6 is the part of Salvador Dali’s well known painting named
> >> “Lincoln in Dalivision”[2]
> >> - Slide #20 is the picture of famous girl group, Girls’
> >> Generation(SNSD)[3], which I believe as symbolic icon of wide spread of
> >> Korean culture(K-Culture) in/around Asia.
> >> 
> >> All the best,
> >> 
> >> Sanghee
> >> 
> >> [0]http://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct
> >> [1]http://2015.foss4g.org
> >> [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_in_Dalivision
> >> [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls%27_Generation
> >> ---
> >> Sanghee Shin, Chair of FOSS4G 2015 Seoul "Toward Diversity! FOSS4G
> >> Bigbang from Seoul!"
> >> http://2015.foss4g.org
> >> Twitter: @foss4g
> >> Facebook: FOSS4G2015
> >> email: foss4gchair at osgeo.org
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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