[OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Wed Jun 24 06:30:54 PDT 2015

Just my 0.0002 cents,

I feel things are getting over complicated.

We have a CoC, and I think all the Charther member should confirm they
agree (actually a pre-requisite to become a charter member).
Then if a serious case is detected the Member can be eventually banned from
the community.

Otherwise we could pretend to do a have an official censorship system
checking all contents and decides what is fine or not... :-D

My point of view is that unless explicitly offensive and against law it is
responsability and credibility of each person to act according correct
moral society rules.

Maxi

2015-06-24 15:13 GMT+02:00 Sanghee Shin <shshin at gaia3d.com>:

> Dear All,
>
> One thing I could say about the controversial #6 slide is that that is
> exactly what Salvador Dali try to point out. I didn’t crop out the image
> intentionally for ‘commercial.’ Image in #6 can be found in internet as
> well as art history book.
>
> If you visited Dali Museum in Figueres, Spain and stood just in front of
> that painting, Dali’s ‘Lincoln in Dalivision’ just look like that, a nude
> female. However if you move back to 10~20 meters away from that, now you
> can realise the real meaning of that painting, that’s the portrait of
> Abraham Lincoln - the president of USA.
>
> I just used that image to stress the importance of long distance from the
> object or sometimes from the too experienced ordinary culture.
>
> I feel like this discussion is just like Dali’s painting.
>
> All the best,
>
> Sanghee
> ---
> Sanghee Shin, Chair of FOSS4G 2015 Seoul
> "Toward Diversity! FOSS4G Bigbang from Seoul!"
> http://2015.foss4g.org
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> email: foss4gchair at osgeo.org
>
>
>
> 2015. 6. 24., 오후 1:08, Milo van der Linden <milo at dogodigi.net> 작성:
>
> Hi Sanghee,
>
> Thank you for taking this matter to the discuss mailinglist. My first
> reaction when clicking the links from your post was, no problem, this is
> well accepted from my european perspective and I do not directly see any
> offense in them nor see any offense in other cultures. However, after
> looking at them in context (in the slideshare presentation) this is my
> opinion.
>
> 1. I don't understand the slides with the Dali painting. What do you want
> to say with them? In my opinion they can be removed without downgrading the
> presentation.
>
> 2. In my opinion; the slide with the header "Culture" showing the row of
> female models will bring a better message with another picture. Currently I
> interpret this slide as: "Come to Korea for the beautiful women" and I
> believe that is not the message you want to send under the header "Culture".
>
> 3. There are a few slides with a lot of prominently displayed alcoholic
> drinks, in one slide, it even looks like a "drinking game". There are a lot
> of cultures that are offended by that too. Simply removing them, again,
> would not make your presentation worse, it would make it stronger.
>
> Final thought:
>
> I agree with the request for removal/replacement but I think you should
> also do something about the alcoholic drinks given this presentation holds
> a prominent position on the main page for the foss4g event. This would make
> your presentation stronger, because apart from this minor thing, it is an
> interesting slideshow that has me interested in going to Seoul!
>
> So thank you for that!
>
> With respect, kind regards.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2015-06-24 12:22 GMT+02:00 Sanghee Shin <shshin at gaia3d.com>:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> It’s now time to apply OSGeo CoC(Code of Conduct)[0] in real case.
>>
>> I was asked to remove a few slides from my presentation "7 Reasons why
>> you should come to FOSS4G 2015 Seoul”[1], which is at the main page of
>> FOSS4G Seoul, as being possibly offensive to women. Specifically to say,
>> slide #6 (nude female in painting) and slide #20 (row of female models) are
>> those controversial ones.
>>
>> I refused this asking immediately because I don’t believe my presentation
>> breach the OSGeo CoC and I don’t agree with that view.
>>
>> However since this is not the first time asking me to remove those slides
>> from my presentation and OSGeo now have CoC, I think we’d better discuss
>> this issue more openly to reach conclusions.
>>
>> I might be wrong and I’d like to hear other people’s opinion on this from
>> all around the world. Also I expect Conference Committee’s input as well,
>> because this is the matter of OSGeo conference.
>>
>> I’m open to remove/amend/keep those slides after hearing other people’s
>> opinions on this. Also I believe it’ll be a great chance for OSGeo to learn
>> how to apply CoC in real cases.
>>
>> *Sidenote for defending myself:
>> - Slide #6 is the part of Salvador Dali’s well known painting named
>> “Lincoln in Dalivision”[2]
>> - Slide #20 is the picture of famous girl group, Girls’
>> Generation(SNSD)[3], which I believe as symbolic icon of wide spread of
>> Korean culture(K-Culture) in/around Asia.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Sanghee
>>
>> [0]http://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct
>> [1]http://2015.foss4g.org
>> [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_in_Dalivision
>> [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls%27_Generation
>> ---
>> Sanghee Shin, Chair of FOSS4G 2015 Seoul
>> "Toward Diversity! FOSS4G Bigbang from Seoul!"
>> http://2015.foss4g.org
>> Twitter: @foss4g
>> Facebook: FOSS4G2015
>> email: foss4gchair at osgeo.org
>>
>>
>>
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