[OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct in Real Case

Wed Jun 24 06:13:50 PDT 2015

Dear All, 

One thing I could say about the controversial #6 slide is that that is exactly what Salvador Dali try to point out. I didn’t crop out the image intentionally for ‘commercial.’ Image in #6 can be found in internet as well as art history book. 

If you visited Dali Museum in Figueres, Spain and stood just in front of that painting, Dali’s ‘Lincoln in Dalivision’ just look like that, a nude female. However if you move back to 10~20 meters away from that, now you can realise the real meaning of that painting, that’s the portrait of Abraham Lincoln - the president of USA. 

I just used that image to stress the importance of long distance from the object or sometimes from the too experienced ordinary culture. 

I feel like this discussion is just like Dali’s painting. 

All the best, 

Sanghee
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"Toward Diversity! FOSS4G Bigbang from Seoul!"
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email: foss4gchair at osgeo.org

> 2015. 6. 24., 오후 1:08, Milo van der Linden <milo at dogodigi.net> 작성:
> 
> Hi Sanghee,
> 
> Thank you for taking this matter to the discuss mailinglist. My first reaction when clicking the links from your post was, no problem, this is well accepted from my european perspective and I do not directly see any offense in them nor see any offense in other cultures. However, after looking at them in context (in the slideshare presentation) this is my opinion.
> 
> 1. I don't understand the slides with the Dali painting. What do you want to say with them? In my opinion they can be removed without downgrading the presentation.
> 
> 2. In my opinion; the slide with the header "Culture" showing the row of female models will bring a better message with another picture. Currently I interpret this slide as: "Come to Korea for the beautiful women" and I believe that is not the message you want to send under the header "Culture".
> 
> 3. There are a few slides with a lot of prominently displayed alcoholic drinks, in one slide, it even looks like a "drinking game". There are a lot of cultures that are offended by that too. Simply removing them, again, would not make your presentation worse, it would make it stronger.
> 
> Final thought:
> 
> I agree with the request for removal/replacement but I think you should also do something about the alcoholic drinks given this presentation holds a prominent position on the main page for the foss4g event. This would make your presentation stronger, because apart from this minor thing, it is an interesting slideshow that has me interested in going to Seoul!
> 
> So thank you for that!
> 
> With respect, kind regards.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2015-06-24 12:22 GMT+02:00 Sanghee Shin <shshin at gaia3d.com <mailto:shshin at gaia3d.com>>:
> Dear All,
> 
> It’s now time to apply OSGeo CoC(Code of Conduct)[0] in real case.
> 
> I was asked to remove a few slides from my presentation "7 Reasons why you should come to FOSS4G 2015 Seoul”[1], which is at the main page of FOSS4G Seoul, as being possibly offensive to women. Specifically to say, slide #6 (nude female in painting) and slide #20 (row of female models) are those controversial ones.
> 
> I refused this asking immediately because I don’t believe my presentation breach the OSGeo CoC and I don’t agree with that view.
> 
> However since this is not the first time asking me to remove those slides from my presentation and OSGeo now have CoC, I think we’d better discuss this issue more openly to reach conclusions.
> 
> I might be wrong and I’d like to hear other people’s opinion on this from all around the world. Also I expect Conference Committee’s input as well, because this is the matter of OSGeo conference.
> 
> I’m open to remove/amend/keep those slides after hearing other people’s opinions on this. Also I believe it’ll be a great chance for OSGeo to learn how to apply CoC in real cases.
> 
> *Sidenote for defending myself:
> - Slide #6 is the part of Salvador Dali’s well known painting named “Lincoln in Dalivision”[2]
> - Slide #20 is the picture of famous girl group, Girls’ Generation(SNSD)[3], which I believe as symbolic icon of wide spread of Korean culture(K-Culture) in/around Asia.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Sanghee
> 
> [0]http://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct <http://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct>
> [1]http://2015.foss4g.org <http://2015.foss4g.org/>
> [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_in_Dalivision <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_in_Dalivision>
> [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls%27_Generation <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls%27_Generation>
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