[OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure

Massimiliano Cannata massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
Fri Mar 6 07:01:45 PST 2015 

Dear all,
The only concern is that stars are often identified with quality of things
(tripadvisor example) while the stars we are talking about are only
graduation level.
For this reason I would propose to use something different from stars,
maybe using colors from yellow to green or different icons (code provenance
passed, etc.)

My 0.21 cents ;-)
Maxi


Il giorno ven 6 mar 2015 alle ore 09:08 Jachym Cepicky <
jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Guys,
>
> you are all naming it.
>
> I think, current incubation process does not work for reasons:
>
> 1 - incubation procedure is designed for big projects, big steps
> 2 - new projects are likely never pass it
> 3 - it does not cover the "post-incbuation" time
>
> result: only few projects proceeded to incubation recently, and incubation
> itself is  long-term pain in you know where, instead of taking one big
> take-them-all steps, to transform it to smaller, easier to pass steps so
> there would be approach. and even projects with not huge ambitions, would
> be part of our family.
>
> already started to sort out current checklist at, please continue
> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/5-star-rating
>
> J
>
> čt 5. 3. 2015 v 23:53 odesílatel Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>
> napsal:
>
>  Hi,
>>
>> For pycsw, we started code review discussion during FOSS4G 2014 Code
>> Sprint, but the actual review happened within 2-3 weeks.
>>
>> Best,
>> Angelos
>>
>>
>> On 03/06/2015 12:19 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>
>> I completely understand Daniel, I think a "star" belittles the amount of
>> work (and operational change) involved in meeting OSGeo's requirements.
>>
>> If it helps I am not talking about diluting incubation, instead opening up
>> to more projects (by forgoing the requirement to have a mentor). All
>> projects in incubation would be operating against the same graduation
>> checklist.
>>
>> All of the projects in incubation currently have made significant progress,
>> most are just waiting on a "sprint" or "sponsor" to grind through their
>> code review.  I wonder if pycsw could share how long their code review took?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>> On 5 March 2015 at 11:57, Daniel Morissette <dmorissette at mapgears.com> <dmorissette at mapgears.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  I'm not sure I like diluting the "Incubated Project" status by turning it
>> into a star rating in which incubated and non-incubated projects are mixed.
>>
>> Incubated projects have taken steps to review their code and adjust their
>> way to operate to meet several requirements, and just a set of stars do not
>> relay that properly to the outside world.
>>
>> That being said, I have no alternative name to offer for the "OSGeo Labs"
>> pre-incubation status at the moment, so I'll stay out of the debate.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> On 2015-03-05 5:52 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Or you’re saying you want to address this with the stars system? So 1
>> star for existing labs projects for instance?
>>
>> Jody, as chair of the incubation committee, what’s your take on this?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bart
>>
>>  On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde at osgis.nl
>>
>>  <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl> <bartvde at osgis.nl>> wrote:
>>
>> I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation
>> and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But
>> that’s my opinion only.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Bart
>>
>>  On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>
>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>> I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to
>> get rid of. "OSGeo Project" is, what I would like to achieve for both
>> - today's projects and labs together under one hat.
>>
>> Or anybody thinks completely different?
>>
>> Just my $.02
>> J
>>
>> čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand
>> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>> napsal:
>>
>>     Yes, i think "Incubator Projects" is an appropriate name for this.
>>
>>     Vaclav - Is this ok for you?
>>
>>     Suchith
>>     __________________________________________
>>     From: Bart van den Eijnden [bartvde at osgis.nl
>>     <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl> <bartvde at osgis.nl>]
>>     Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM
>>     To: Vaclav Petras
>>     Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:discuss at lists.osgeo.org> <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
>>     Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
>>
>>     I agree Community Projects is a confusing name.
>>
>>     What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses.
>>
>>     http://incubator.apache.org <http://incubator.apache.org/> <http://incubator.apache.org/>
>>
>>     Best regards,
>>     Bart
>>
>>     On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:wenzeslaus at gmail.com> <wenzeslaus at gmail.com><mailto:w__enzeslaus at gmail.com <w__enzeslaus at gmail.com>
>>     <mailto:wenzeslaus at gmail.com> <wenzeslaus at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand
>>     <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.__uk
>>     <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Suchith.Anand at __ <Suchith.Anand at __>nottingham.ac.uk
>>     <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
>>     Thanks Jeff.
>>
>>     Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on
>>     this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a
>>     good opportunity  to modify the Incubation's "labs" term, to
>>     something like "Community Projects" to avoid confusion if that is
>>     acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks.
>>
>>     Well, I'm not particularly fond of "Community Projects" as a
>>     name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way
>>     or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion.
>>
>>     Vaclav
>>
>>     Suchith
>>
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>>     <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> <discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>] On Behalf Of Jeff
>>     McKenna [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
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>>     Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:26 PM
>>     To: discuss at lists.osgeo.org
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>>     <mailto:discuss at lists.osgeo.org> <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>__>
>>     Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
>>
>>     (we are approaching 2 full years that this "labs" naming has been an
>>     issue and discussed[1])
>>
>>     Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll
>>     education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to
>>     modify the Incubation's "labs" term, to something like "Community
>>     Projects".
>>
>>     [1]
>>     http://lists.osgeo.org/__pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-
>> __June/000134.html
>>     <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-
>> June/000134.html> <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html>
>>
>>     -jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>>     > Vaclav,
>>     >
>>     > Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i
>>     did not think on this  when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs
>>     initiative (so many things were going on at that time!).
>>     >
>>     > In universities, we generally use the "Labs" term to refer to
>>     infrastructure/people/__facilities for a particular subject. For
>>     example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure
>>     there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities
>>     worldwide  (which includes bringing together people from various
>>     disciplines, infrastructure (the physical space) and facilities
>>     to make this happen. Also it is easier to make use of the same
>>     terminology/structure of "Labs" which is widely used in the
>>     university environment to get academics start the initiative in
>>     their respective universities (also it is easier for them to
>>     convince their higher management on a structure that is known to
>>     them than reinvent a new term for this) .
>>     >
>>     > So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new
>>     "OSGeo-projects" and metioned star (or similar) rating system for
>>     the incubation as then there is no confusion in the future. Many
>>     thanks for your consideration.
>>     >
>>     > Best wishes,
>>     >
>>     > Suchith
>>     >
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>>     <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> <discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>] On Behalf Of Jachym
>>     Cepicky [jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>
>>
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>>     <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>]
>>     > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM
>>     > To: Vaclav Petras
>>     > Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>>     <mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org> <incubator at lists.osgeo.org><__mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo <incubator at lists.osgeo>.
>> __org
>>     <mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org> <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>     > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
>>     >
>>     > Vašku,
>>     >
>>     > just side note: yes, whith the new "Labs" initiative
>>     "OSGeo-Labs" have to change their name.
>>     >
>>     > My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- "labs" and
>>     "projects" and start with new "OSGeo-projects" and metioned star
>>     (or similar) rating system.
>>     >
>>     > Than for current OSGeo-Labs "OSGeo-project level 1" would make
>>     it (or similar)
>>     >
>>     > Jachym
>>     >
>>     > po 2. 3. 2015 v 18:33 odesílatel Vaclav Petras
>>     <wenzeslaus at gmail.com
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>>     <mailto:wenzeslaus at gmail.com> <wenzeslaus at gmail.com>>>> napsal:
>>     >
>>     > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky
>>     <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com><__mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail <jachym.cepicky at gmail>.
>> __com
>>     <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>><mailto:jachym.cepicky at __ <jachym.cepicky at __>gmail.com
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>>     <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>>     > former "OSGeo Labs" (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in
>>     past, but you can find more at
>>     http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/__OSGeo_Labs
>>     <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs>)
>>     >
>>     > Hi Jachym,
>>     >
>>     > do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name
>>     "OSGeo Labs" by something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo
>>     Research and Educational laboratories which might be often
>>     shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I prefer OSGeoRELs for writing.
>>     The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put perhaps it is not such
>>     an issue since the term "Geo for All" (http://www.geoforall.org/)
>>     is now used more and more (well, the linked website as OSGeo Labs
>>     in the title element).
>>     >
>>     > Thanks for taking this into consideration,
>>     > Vaclav
>>     >
>>     >
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