[OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure

Jachym Cepicky jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
Fri Mar 6 23:28:22 PST 2015 

To clarify this: I just got inspired by the open data classification. It
also does not tell anything about the data itself, it's pure about how
"open" they are.

But I really do not stick to stars to much.

J

On Fri, Mar 6, 2015, 16:01 Massimiliano Cannata <
massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch> wrote:

> Dear all,
> The only concern is that stars are often identified with quality of things
> (tripadvisor example) while the stars we are talking about are only
> graduation level.
> For this reason I would propose to use something different from stars,
> maybe using colors from yellow to green or different icons (code provenance
> passed, etc.)
>
> My 0.21 cents ;-)
> Maxi
>
>
> Il giorno ven 6 mar 2015 alle ore 09:08 Jachym Cepicky <
> jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> Guys,
>>
>> you are all naming it.
>>
>> I think, current incubation process does not work for reasons:
>>
>> 1 - incubation procedure is designed for big projects, big steps
>> 2 - new projects are likely never pass it
>> 3 - it does not cover the "post-incbuation" time
>>
>> result: only few projects proceeded to incubation recently, and
>> incubation itself is  long-term pain in you know where, instead of taking
>> one big take-them-all steps, to transform it to smaller, easier to pass
>> steps so there would be approach. and even projects with not huge
>> ambitions, would be part of our family.
>>
>> already started to sort out current checklist at, please continue
>> http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/5-star-rating
>>
>> J
>>
>> čt 5. 3. 2015 v 23:53 odesílatel Angelos Tzotsos <gcpp.kalxas at gmail.com>
>> napsal:
>>
>>  Hi,
>>>
>>> For pycsw, we started code review discussion during FOSS4G 2014 Code
>>> Sprint, but the actual review happened within 2-3 weeks.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Angelos
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/06/2015 12:19 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>
>>> I completely understand Daniel, I think a "star" belittles the amount of
>>> work (and operational change) involved in meeting OSGeo's requirements.
>>>
>>> If it helps I am not talking about diluting incubation, instead opening up
>>> to more projects (by forgoing the requirement to have a mentor). All
>>> projects in incubation would be operating against the same graduation
>>> checklist.
>>>
>>> All of the projects in incubation currently have made significant progress,
>>> most are just waiting on a "sprint" or "sponsor" to grind through their
>>> code review.  I wonder if pycsw could share how long their code review took?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jody Garnett
>>>
>>> On 5 March 2015 at 11:57, Daniel Morissette <dmorissette at mapgears.com> <dmorissette at mapgears.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  I'm not sure I like diluting the "Incubated Project" status by turning it
>>> into a star rating in which incubated and non-incubated projects are mixed.
>>>
>>> Incubated projects have taken steps to review their code and adjust their
>>> way to operate to meet several requirements, and just a set of stars do not
>>> relay that properly to the outside world.
>>>
>>> That being said, I have no alternative name to offer for the "OSGeo Labs"
>>> pre-incubation status at the moment, so I'll stay out of the debate.
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-03-05 5:52 AM, Bart van den Eijnden wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  Or you’re saying you want to address this with the stars system? So 1
>>> star for existing labs projects for instance?
>>>
>>> Jody, as chair of the incubation committee, what’s your take on this?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Bart
>>>
>>>  On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:51, Bart van den Eijnden <bartvde at osgis.nl
>>>
>>>  <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl> <bartvde at osgis.nl>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don’t think you can put projects that have gone through incubation
>>> and the projects that still have to incubate at the same level. But
>>> that’s my opinion only.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Bart
>>>
>>>  On 05 Mar 2015, at 11:18, Jachym Cepicky <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>>
>>> <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Guys,
>>>
>>> I think you are trying to find a term for something, I would like to
>>> get rid of. "OSGeo Project" is, what I would like to achieve for both
>>> - today's projects and labs together under one hat.
>>>
>>> Or anybody thinks completely different?
>>>
>>> Just my $.02
>>> J
>>>
>>> čt 5. 3. 2015 v 9:08 odesílatel Suchith Anand
>>> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>> napsal:
>>>
>>>     Yes, i think "Incubator Projects" is an appropriate name for this.
>>>
>>>     Vaclav - Is this ok for you?
>>>
>>>     Suchith
>>>     __________________________________________
>>>     From: Bart van den Eijnden [bartvde at osgis.nl
>>>     <mailto:bartvde at osgis.nl> <bartvde at osgis.nl>]
>>>     Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2015 7:34 AM
>>>     To: Vaclav Petras
>>>     Cc: Suchith Anand; discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:discuss at lists.osgeo.org> <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
>>>     Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
>>>
>>>     I agree Community Projects is a confusing name.
>>>
>>>     What about incubator projects? That’s the term that Apache uses.
>>>
>>>     http://incubator.apache.org <http://incubator.apache.org/> <http://incubator.apache.org/>
>>>
>>>     Best regards,
>>>     Bart
>>>
>>>     On 04 Mar 2015, at 23:25, Vaclav Petras <wenzeslaus at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:wenzeslaus at gmail.com> <wenzeslaus at gmail.com><mailto:w__enzeslaus at gmail.com <w__enzeslaus at gmail.com>
>>>     <mailto:wenzeslaus at gmail.com> <wenzeslaus at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:14 AM, Suchith Anand
>>>     <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.__uk
>>>     <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk><mailto:Suchith.Anand at __ <Suchith.Anand at __>nottingham.ac.uk
>>>     <mailto:Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk> <Suchith.Anand at nottingham.ac.uk>>> wrote:
>>>     Thanks Jeff.
>>>
>>>     Though we had lots of discussions afterwards and continuing on
>>>     this , we couldnt find any solution till now. So this might be a
>>>     good opportunity  to modify the Incubation's "labs" term, to
>>>     something like "Community Projects" to avoid confusion if that is
>>>     acceptable to Vaclav, Jachym and others. Many thanks.
>>>
>>>     Well, I'm not particularly fond of "Community Projects" as a
>>>     name. Even mature FOSS projects are community projects in one way
>>>     or the other. Unfortunately, I don't have other suggestion.
>>>
>>>     Vaclav
>>>
>>>     Suchith
>>>
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>>>     <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> <discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>] On Behalf Of Jeff
>>>     McKenna [jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
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>>>     <mailto:discuss at lists.osgeo.org> <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>__>
>>>     Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
>>>
>>>     (we are approaching 2 full years that this "labs" naming has been an
>>>     issue and discussed[1])
>>>
>>>     Today, knowing how ingrained the term 'lab' is in the GeoForAll
>>>     education network, maybe Jachym is correct that it is a good time to
>>>     modify the Incubation's "labs" term, to something like "Community
>>>     Projects".
>>>
>>>     [1]
>>>     http://lists.osgeo.org/__pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-
>>> __June/000134.html
>>>     <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-
>>> June/000134.html> <http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/ica-osgeo-labs/2013-June/000134.html>
>>>
>>>     -jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 2015-03-03 3:42 AM, Suchith Anand wrote:
>>>     > Vaclav,
>>>     >
>>>     > Please accept my sincere apologies as it was my mistake that i
>>>     did not think on this  when we started the ICA-OSGeo Labs
>>>     initiative (so many things were going on at that time!).
>>>     >
>>>     > In universities, we generally use the "Labs" term to refer to
>>>     infrastructure/people/__facilities for a particular subject. For
>>>     example Botany Lab, Robotics Lab etc. And we wanted to make sure
>>>     there is a dedicated Open Source Geospatial Lab in universities
>>>     worldwide  (which includes bringing together people from various
>>>     disciplines, infrastructure (the physical space) and facilities
>>>     to make this happen. Also it is easier to make use of the same
>>>     terminology/structure of "Labs" which is widely used in the
>>>     university environment to get academics start the initiative in
>>>     their respective universities (also it is easier for them to
>>>     convince their higher management on a structure that is known to
>>>     them than reinvent a new term for this) .
>>>     >
>>>     > So it will very helpful for us if you can make use of new
>>>     "OSGeo-projects" and metioned star (or similar) rating system for
>>>     the incubation as then there is no confusion in the future. Many
>>>     thanks for your consideration.
>>>     >
>>>     > Best wishes,
>>>     >
>>>     > Suchith
>>>     >
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>>>     <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> <discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org>>] On Behalf Of Jachym
>>>     Cepicky [jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>     > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 7:27 AM
>>>     > To: Vaclav Petras
>>>     > Cc: OSGeo Discussions; incubator at lists.osgeo.org
>>>     <mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org> <incubator at lists.osgeo.org><__mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo <incubator at lists.osgeo>.
>>> __org
>>>     <mailto:incubator at lists.osgeo.org> <incubator at lists.osgeo.org>>
>>>     > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] New incubation procedure
>>>     >
>>>     > Vašku,
>>>     >
>>>     > just side note: yes, whith the new "Labs" initiative
>>>     "OSGeo-Labs" have to change their name.
>>>     >
>>>     > My idea would rather be to get rid of current OSGeo- "labs" and
>>>     "projects" and start with new "OSGeo-projects" and metioned star
>>>     (or similar) rating system.
>>>     >
>>>     > Than for current OSGeo-Labs "OSGeo-project level 1" would make
>>>     it (or similar)
>>>     >
>>>     > Jachym
>>>     >
>>>     > po 2. 3. 2015 v 18:33 odesílatel Vaclav Petras
>>>     <wenzeslaus at gmail.com
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>>>     <mailto:wenzeslaus at gmail.com> <wenzeslaus at gmail.com>>>> napsal:
>>>     >
>>>     > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 AM, Jachym Cepicky
>>>     <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com
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>>>     <mailto:jachym.cepicky at gmail.com> <jachym.cepicky at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>>>     > former "OSGeo Labs" (now it has no name is slowly forgotten in
>>>     past, but you can find more at
>>>     http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/__OSGeo_Labs
>>>     <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs> <http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs>)
>>>     >
>>>     > Hi Jachym,
>>>     >
>>>     > do you think that with the renewal you can replace the name
>>>     "OSGeo Labs" by something else? Now we have also ISPRS-ICA-OSGeo
>>>     Research and Educational laboratories which might be often
>>>     shortened to OSGeo Labs, although I prefer OSGeoRELs for writing.
>>>     The mainling list is ica-osgeo-labs. Put perhaps it is not such
>>>     an issue since the term "Geo for All" (http://www.geoforall.org/)
>>>     is now used more and more (well, the linked website as OSGeo Labs
>>>     in the title element).
>>>     >
>>>     > Thanks for taking this into consideration,
>>>     > Vaclav
>>>     >
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