[OSGeo-Discuss] Geo4All - Empowering academics and educators globally - requesting colleagues to share Geo4All ideas at Geography Awareness Week

[Jonathan Moules]

Hi Henrique,
    > "Therefore:  OSGeo decisions actually are taken in absence of representatives of the inventor and the consumer, consequently can change when the wind changes."
   
    I'm not sure that's a good take-home from the conversation so far.
    The OSGeo appears to already have a pretty clear definition of what it considers free and open (from http://www.osgeo.org/content/faq/foundation_faq.html#Open_Source ) :

    "Open source software is software where the source code is made available under a license that allows the modification, and re-distribution of the software at will."
   
    So while there are multiple interpretations and variations for "free" and "open", as far as I can see, if software isn't distributed under an OSI approved license (https://opensource.org/licenses ), it's not "free and open" for the purposes of the current definition as used by the OSGeo.
    Whether the OSGeo definition (or by extension the OSI one) is correct is a question that's beyond the scope of my reply. :-)

Cheers,
Jonathan


---- On Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:00:38 +0100 Munich Orientation Convention<volksnav at volksnav.de> wrote ---- 

 
Hello Brian,
 
thank you for the confirmation that MOC isn’t (and shouldn’t be) free and open. Therefore:  OSGeo decisions actually are taken in absence of representatives of the inventor and the consumer, consequently can change when the wind changes. 
 
My last approach concerned ideas to the Geo Awareness Week, that means, for young consumers. A similar situation: adults decide about writing, publishing and buying books for children.
 
In Bonn there will a speech about free, open and libre. This shows that in some cases openmania could be the wrong way. 
 
The site “free the post code” www.freeThePostCode.org proves that even enigmatic post codes aren’t free, therefore universities etc. promote it (by unreflected use?). According to my surveys, nobody knows where is the N/S/E/W transition point ( the pole ! ) in London. 
 
I also wrote to the National Geographic and I’m sure that Geo Awareness and open mind will overcome. 
One possibility could be to amputate the invention to a free and open torso for those who insist on saving EUR 1,- . Would this be of interest for OSGeo?
 
 
Henrique
 
 
 
Von: Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] Im Auftrag von Brian M Hamlin
Gesendet: Dienstag, 16. August 2016 21:29
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Betreff: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Geo4All - Empowering academics and educators globally - requesting colleagues to share Geo4All ideas at Geography Awareness Week


 
Dear Colleagues -
 
  I strongly object to this statement.. 
" ... t this system can NOT be considered OPEN in the usual definition and is therefore not something OSGEO shoudl be involved with... "
 
  There are numerous references to cite here..  details on request
 
 
best regards from Berkeley, California
  --Brian M Hamlin   PSC OSGeo-Live, California Chapter
 
 
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Quote: " The license fee for educational purposes is symbolically EUR 1,- "

This implies there is also a (higher?) non-educational fee, and also means IMHO that this system can NOT be considered OPEN in the usual definition and is therefore not something OSGEO shoudl be involved with...

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