[OSGeo-Discuss] Recruiting OSGeo Santa Clause(s)
Marc Vloemans
marcvloemans1 at gmail.com
Fri Mar 18 05:14:14 PDT 2016
Thx Cameron for your positive feed back!
I guess Gert Jan and I - from the perspective of our involvement in marketing FOSS4G in Bonn - are running into all sorts of questions/expectations/thresholds/legacies/assumptions/undecided items and the like. Thus our own questions and remarks and at least often in my case; exasperation.
I will involve myself with drafting a concept marketing doc for us in the wiki in the upcoming time. Making use of what seems reusable where appropriate. And everybody is invited to discuss, comment and ask!!!
I will probably ask the community some tough questions beforehand ;-)
@Nicolas/Gert Jan: hopefully you can actively write and contribute!?!?
(However, I will not involve myself with the present promotional aspects/agenda-2016. Although I agree that the train needs to move on, I am just better suited to work from a solid and agreed foundation/design.)
Vriendelijke groet,
Marc Vloemans
> Op 18 mrt. 2016 om 12:27 heeft Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Nicolas, Marc,
> You both have proposed some excellent ideas on what we should do within the marketing committee, and I think you are also offering to make it happen? Thank you.
>
> I suggest put your ideas into the existing marketing wiki, as linked from here: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Marketing_Committee
>
> I suggest not being scared to archive old content. Maybe initially move under an "Old Material" heading, with strikeout font, or move to an "archive" wiki page, and eventually remove all together. Some of this old content I've created, and I'll be delighted to see it ruthlessly refreshed and improved in the ways you've suggested.
>
> I expect that once you put draft ideas together with a commitment to move it forward, you will attract positive feedback, and likely attract more volunteers.
>
> I don't think it matters much whether you work under the banner of "marketing committee", "web committee" or "conference committee". The key element is that something gets done. We are volunteers, and we are effective as a "do-ocracy".
>
> So please feel empowered, and start putting your ideas into the wiki. Ask for feedback. It is always easier to discuss an idea after someone has writing a first draft. I'd love to see what you suggest.
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
>> On 18/03/2016 10:11 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
>> Thanks for the clarity Marc, there is a very different focus between the two activities.
>>
>> My two-cents is what we need here - and what Cameron asked for at the start of the thread - is volunteers to put time on the table. OSGeo is a volunteer organization, please in pitch in to make it great.
>>
>> --
>> Jody Garnett
>>
>>> On 17 March 2016 at 09:37, Marc VLOEMANS <marcvloemans1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> All
>>>
>>> If this year's marketing communication and budget is reflecting last
>>> year's, then that's of course a discretionary Board decision.
>>> To combine WebCom and MarkCom can in that case be a practical solution, for now...
>>>
>>> However, to combine them more permanently would downgrade the 'Art of Marketing'
>>> to just 'Promotion'. And would not emply the total toolbox at our disposal to grow usage of
>>> FOSS for GIS. Marketing can be so much more...
>>>
>>> In order to really benefit from all marketing has to offer, we need to have established at a minimum level:
>>> - what are our offerings/products/services and their added end value?
>>> - what is (are) our target segment audience(s), direct and indirect for the above?
>>> - how do we create interest for it/these (the promotional aspect) per target group?
>>> - how/via which appropriate channels do we distribute that offering-product-service (incl OSGeo-Live)
>>> - which community members/orgs/externals/partners/suppliers are to be involved
>>> - what are available timelines, resources and deliverables?
>>> And these questions-answers are to be addressed interdependently in a single coherent approach.
>>>
>>> If such approach is considered too far fetched...then just have a single Com
>>> for the future, focusing on promotional aspects and media; 'PromCom'.
>>>
>>> Not my preferred choice, though ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Marc Vloemans
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Marc Vloemans
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-03-17 12:45 GMT+01:00 Gert-Jan van der Weijden (OSGeo.nl) <gert-jan at osgeo.nl>:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> The website is a tool, just as OSGeo-Live is a tool.
>>>> The 2 committees (WebCom and MarkCom) are closely related.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion MarkCom set the goals and probably defines what tools are needed to reach these goals.
>>>> WebCom makes sure one of these tools is up and running.
>>>> That requires different skill, which makes it a valid choice to keep the 2 committees separated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Gert-Jan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Venkatesh Raghavan schreef op 16-03-2016 7:53:
>>>>> On 3/16/2016 3:00 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that nicolas ideas are fully right. Website is one of the
>>>>>> best
>>>>>> marketing tool.
>>>>>> Maybe making one committee from two dormient make one awake... could
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> consider to join webcom and marketing in a new one?
>>>>>
>>>>> I also think that merging web and marketing committees would make a
>>>>> lot
>>>>> of sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Venka
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maxi
>>>>>> Il 15/Mar/2016 21:39, "Jody Garnett" <jody.garnett at gmail.com> ha
>>>>>> scritto:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Cameron & Nick, could you start outlining a "reboot" on the
>>>>>> wiki
>>>>>> and grab an agenda item for next months board meeting? We also have
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> hangout/workparty for board members (and officers?) in case you want
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> companionship shaping the wiki page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15 March 2016 at 04:38, nicolas bozon <nicolas.bozon at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Cameron, Marketing Committee, OSGeo Directors,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a member of the so called "dormant" Marketing Committee, i would
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> glad to help revitalising it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact it hasn't been a satisfactory nor confortable situation to
>>>>>> be a
>>>>>> member of such a forgotten commitee since 2012.
>>>>>> So i'd like to volunteer for championing such committee reboot, and
>>>>>> propose to help define strategic changes, recruit new members and
>>>>>> tackle
>>>>>> some of the administrative tasks.
>>>>>> I can also chair the Committee if needed, and if this is
>>>>>> appropriated for
>>>>>> gathering the troops. Cameron, I am not Santa (but 'Klaus' only:)),
>>>>>> but I'd
>>>>>> be very glad to learn from your experience and we may try to enhance
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> together.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However,i think the commitee's mission and role should be revised,
>>>>>> probably indepth modified, and aligned with the new OSGeo plans.
>>>>>> My main point is that the mandate of the OSGeo Marketing Committee
>>>>>> must
>>>>>> go way beyond the funding of OSGeo events and the managment of
>>>>>> consumables
>>>>>> or swag, as it mostly did (or not) until now.
>>>>>> OSGeo Live is one of our best marketing tool to showcase some of the
>>>>>> Foundation's software projects, but not to promote and market the
>>>>>> Foundation itself IMHO.
>>>>>> OSGeo Live must of course be kept inside a new marketing plan, but
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> latter shouldn't be built on DVDs and events only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> According to me, improving OSGeo Marketing globally is one of the
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> important and urgent action to be taken according to the new
>>>>>> strategic plan
>>>>>> defined by the Board.
>>>>>> It must help OSGeo to be presented as more matured, more inclusive,
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> professional, and fully considered by the broader geospatial
>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe such reborn Marketing Committee should work closely along
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the Board of Directors, the Website Committee and a few motivated
>>>>>> contributors, in order to:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Define a consitent OSGeo identity from existing material
>>>>>> (including
>>>>>> revised graphic guidelines, new shapes and colors aligned with
>>>>>> identified
>>>>>> needs and recent web trends, new scalable vector graphics, web fonts
>>>>>> ...)
>>>>>> - Refine the OSGeo web identity (including main site redesign
>>>>>> through the
>>>>>> developement a new drupal theme, responsive webdesign, efficient and
>>>>>> reusable visuals...)
>>>>>> - Enhance OSGeo web content and presence (including blog, journal,
>>>>>> newsletter and bring more activity on various social networks)
>>>>>> - Market the OSGeo brand online and at all kind of events (including
>>>>>> consumables management, viral marketing, direct marketing...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Such actions could be prioritized and voted by the Committee's
>>>>>> members,
>>>>>> coordinated by the commitee's chair according to the Committee
>>>>>> members, and
>>>>>> aligned with the allocated budget and volunteered time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sincerly hope we can reboot and improve our Marketing Committee
>>>>>> together, in order to grow and market our Foundation better.
>>>>>> Let us talk, decide and act now ! Enough rest for MarkCom' !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nick
>
>> On 15/03/2016 10:22 pm, Marc Vloemans wrote:
>> Before handing out money to undoubtedly worthy causes...a marketing (which is more than just the promotional 'P' ) plan would be the usual starting point. Agreed upon by the Board and with input from all.
>>
>> So. Why is what is given to whom, when and to what amount? Effectively; what precedes a marketing committee.
>>
>> Unless, a plan/framework is in place, Santa Claus/Easter Bunny/Tooth Fairy/etc. can expect to receive a lot of flak. Groups and initiatives have no clue as to what (governable) rules to comply with. Besides all sorts of unwanted chaos and misunderstandings can be expected.
>>
>> By the way, does one also not start to code without some sort of initial and agreed plan?
>>
>> Any volunteers besides me to have a stab at it?
>>
>> Vriendelijke groet,
>> Marc Vloemans
>>>>>> 2016-03-15 8:42 GMT+01:00 Cameron Shorter
>>>>>> <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OSGeo needs help distributing money to worthy causes. We need an
>>>>>> OSGeo
>>>>>> Santa Clause.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The current state of play is:
>>>>>> * The OSGeo Board has allocated budget for an OSGeo marketing
>>>>>> committee
>>>>>> to distribute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * But, our OSGeo Marketing committee has imploded. (I was the last
>>>>>> chair, a few years back). It seems no one is interested in the
>>>>>> administrative tasks of giving away money, doing the administrative
>>>>>> work of
>>>>>> writing cheques, being accountable, deciding which requests get
>>>>>> funded
>>>>>> verses which don't based on a set of guidelines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My take is that handing out money to worthy marketing causes can't
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> too important, as it is not bugging anyone enough to want to step up
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> volunteer to fix it. But I'd be delighted to proven wrong, and see
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> people volunteer to step up to revitalise the OSGeo marketing
>>>>>> committee. If
>>>>>> you are possibly interested, please speak up. I'd be happy to help
>>>>>> you get
>>>>>> started.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A first task would be to consider this request from Bob.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warm regards, Cameron
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/03/2016 6:29 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds like an amazing event, marketing committee should have a
>>>>>> budget
>>>>>> to work against shortly (it is an agenda topic for this week and you
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> see the budget
>>>>> <https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_of_Directors#Operational_Budget_for_2016>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> on the wiki ).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cameron is involved with both marketing committee and OSGeo live and
>>>>>> should be able to assist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jody Garnett
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8 March 2016 at 08:59, Bob Basques <bbasques at sharedgeo.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven’t heard anything back on the following request from anyone
>>>>>> (other than Jody commenting about where this should be sent . . .).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So trying again . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, let me know if this is the wrong list to request from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We’re holding a regional Geo conference and would like to include
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> OSGeo-Live thumb drive in each attendees goody bag. So, please
>>>>>> consider
>>>>>> this an official request for funding of OSGeo Live Thumb Drives for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> event.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a multi- discipline, multi-state event for all things Geo.
>>>>>> 60
>>>>>> confirmed presenters. This will be a highly knowledgable audience
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> because of the varied subject matter it will be an excellent venue
>>>>>> to get
>>>>>> the word out to new folks about OSGeo and it’s mission, via the
>>>>>> OSGeo Live
>>>>>> project. More info about the event can be seen here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.umgeocon.org [2]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We’ve planned for 350 attendees. We can make our own thumb
>>>>>> drives,
>>>>>> and/or pay to have them made ourselves. We’ve handed these out in
>>>>>> the past
>>>>>> and will also include a getting started cheat sheet for each user to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> them going with the least amount of effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven’t checked lately for the going rate on these. Local
>>>>>> suppliers
>>>>>> are advertising ~$5 each for an 8GB USB3.0 blank drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Request is for $2000 ($1750 for Drives, $250 for copying the OSGeo
>>>>>> Live
>>>>>> suite to each).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Related, my submission of the OSGeo Live presentation has been
>>>>>> accepted
>>>>>> at the event, and there will also be a (free) GeoMOOSE workshop.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bobb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Bob Basques
>>>>>> <bbasques at sharedgeo.org>bbasques at sharedgeo.org
>>>>>> 612.598.9210
>>>>>>
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