[OSGeo-Discuss] Non-precise framing can hurt the community

Mon Aug 21 04:45:12 PDT 2017

Hi,

I'm all for promoting "as much free and open source software for
geospatial" as possible on our web page. Our target is community outreach,
to destroy borders, this IMHO is part of our vision and mission [1]
OSGeo VisionEmpower everyone with open source geospatialOSGeo Mission
Statement

Foster global adoption of open geospatial technology by being an inclusive
software foundation devoted to an open philosophy and participatory
community driven development.

[1] http://www.osgeo.org/content/foundation/about.html

I do not care much about LocationTech's business and I did not see any act
- open or hidden - which would violate our vision or mission and that would
be in contradiction to what we do. Quite opposite, I see LocationTech
promoting the open (and OSGeo) idea quite a lot. Still, their business is
different from ours.

We are open community - and that includes (among others) LocationTech - do
not take this value from us.

The same way, some OSGeo members are looking at LocationTech, could OGC
look at OSGeo - with our "community" standards initiative, we are covering
some of their agenda. Yet I did not see that happen, since the final target
is different (even global mission is similar)

This is just my opinion, my $0.02 to the repeating discussion. You surely
can disagree

Jachym

P.S. Thank you all "LocationTech insiders", who are working for OSGeo,
great job!

so 19. 8. 2017 v 2:53 odesílatel Maria Antonia Brovelli <
maria.brovelli at polimi.it> napsal:

> Dear Helmut
> I think that your question are relevant. Thank you so much!
> Jeffrey did an excellent work (thanks also  to you) in trying to make the
> new website ready in beta version for FOSS4G 2018.
> It is a sort of draft website and every comment is welcome.
> In the hurry of the last period and the overlappinh holidays of many
> people we have not had time to check it.
> But the website is our window and we have to decide what we want to show
> to the world. Therefore it deserves time for checking and also finding
> agreements among us.
> I agree with the proposal of Maxi to freeze it and give the possibility to
> the community to express themselves on this important topic.
> I will take my time in next weeks to check it and I ask everybody of the
> community to do the same and share their thoughts.
> Thanks again for your precious help!
> Best
> Maria
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung device
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Helmut Kudrnovsky <hellik at web.de>
> Date: 18/08/2017 17:00 (GMT-05:00)
> To: Marc Vloemans <marcvloemans1 at gmail.com>, raghavan at media.osaka-cu.ac.jp,
> hmitaso at ncsu.edu
> Cc: OSGeo Discussions <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>, Sandro Santilli <
> strk at kbt.io>
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Non-precise framing can hurt the community
>
> Dear Venka, Dear Helena, Dear Marc, Dear OSGeo Community,
>
> I'm some kind of surprised about the reactions and long threads about my
> question yesterday.
>
> Just back from a long walk along a nice alpine river where I had time to
> contemplate about it. Therefore it will be a personal and some kind of
> philosophical note.
>
> In my personal, cultural and scientific background I was educated that
> asking questions isn't anything bad.
>
> * Asking questions regarding things I'm interested in, to learn more about
> it ...
> * Asking questions regarding things I'm interested in, I'm involved, and
> where I have some kind of responsibility, to take care that it evolves in a
> sustainable way ...
>
> citing [1]:
>
> "The third category is Charter Member. Individuals in this category have
> the same rights as the above Member category, but with two important
> differences. Firstly, individuals in this category are not self-selected,
> but rather must be voted into this category by the other Charter Members.
> Secondly, individuals in this category have the right to vote in elections
> for other Charter Members, and for Board Members.
>
>     These two factors are intended to maintain the integrity of the
> Foundation election processes -- and by extension the integrity of the
> Foundation itself. We use the term "Charter" Member to explicitly indicate
> that these members are responsible for upholding the "charter" of the
> Foundation."
>
> As I'm honoured to be elected an OSGeo charter member, this is a high
> motivation for me to volunteer e.g. this year as OSGeo GSoC admin, to have
> fun within the GRASS community and to promote OSGeo and free and open
> source GIS whenever I have a chance to do so... and from time to time it
> encourages me to ask questions about OSGeo's evolution. So here we are now
> ...
>
> Community and communication .... both have the same latin word stem:
> communis.
>
> I like OSGeo's do-ocracy :-) ... but also I think it's now time to
> rephrase the open source mantra to "communicate often, communicate early"
> :-) ... that OSGeo is able to evolve in a sustainable way!
>
> Kind regards
> Helmut
>
> [1] http://www.osgeo.org/Membership
>
> Gesendet: Freitag, 18. August 2017 um 21:15 Uhr
> Von: "Marc Vloemans" <marcvloemans1 at gmail.com>
> An: "Sandro Santilli" <strk at kbt.io>
> Cc: "Helmut Kudrnovsky" <hellik at web.de>, "OSGeo Discussions" <
> discuss at lists.osgeo.org>
> Betreff: Re: Non-precise framing can hurt the community
> @Helmut et all,
>
> Thanks for another opportunity to give the community more insights in what
> LocationTech (the Eclipse Industry Working Group for spatially aware
> software) entails and how it relates to OSGeo!
>
> We help co-develop and co-promote OSGeo projects in general (including
> GPL-projects!) through
> - sponsoring codesprints (e.g. Here in Boston tomorrow) and
> - co-organising events (e.g. codesprints and Foss4g North Amerika)
>
> Kind regards,
> Marc Vloemans
>
>
> > Op 18 aug. 2017 om 12:53 heeft Marc Vloemans <marcvloemans1 at gmail.com>
> het volgende geschreven:
> >
> > Dear Sandro,
> >
> > We (Eclipse Foundation -LocationTech) are 'not against it' ! I repeat;
> not against........did I mention 'not'?
> >
> > GPL is approved by OSI, just like the EPL. We are on the same team. The
> word 'against' suggests we are at odds with each other over this. Which we
> are not, never have been and never will be.
> >
> > Our members (businesses, academia, NGO's) work with/on projects that
> incorporate various licenses. Individual choices depend on 'the right tools
> for the job'. Developers work on projects and in communities that encompass
> a wide spectrum of licenses.
> > End-users (the ones that fund so many of open spatial projects)
> determine and decide which tools will suit their purposes. And they love
> our community's versatility to meet their demands. Thus furthering the
> overall success of open spatial IT in the world.
> > The present full spectrum of projects provides a compelling,
> comprehensive storyline as is demonstrated by an increasing number of
> implementations. Worldwide, across industry verticals, profits,
> non-profits, etc etc.
> >
> > Hope this clarifies and let's together move forward!
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Marc Vloemans
> >
> >
> >>> Op 18 aug. 2017 om 11:25 heeft Sandro Santilli <strk at kbt.io> het
> volgende geschreven:
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 09:19:52PM +0200, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Will locationtech also promote OSGeo projects?
> >>
> >> This is an interesting question, especially as LocationTech is
> >> against GPL-licensed projects (like GRASS, QGIS, PostGIS)
> >>
> >> --strk;
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