[OSGeo-Discuss] Proposal for the listing of projects in our new web site
Jody Garnett
jody.garnett at gmail.com
Mon Aug 21 16:23:07 PDT 2017
Jeff have you heard from any small companies that feel alienated? For many
being a small company gives them a chance to offer personal service. I do
not want to make assumptions if we can help it.
My feedback was actually focused on the site design, partnership & friend
relationships are appropriate for government and NGOs, geoforall labs are
the appropriate relationship for education and science etc. If that is
clear we can return to the earlier discussion - specifically about service
provider size. (we should also be sure to capture this discussion on the
issue tracker so it can actually inform the review of the website).
Many of these decisions already took place during the earlier wireframe
stage of the project (by contributors who stepped up to the marketing
committee). We already went back to the drawing table on some of the key
decisions during wire framing and initial website design.
To clearly set expectations - we will not have a chance to revisit each and
every decision due to limitations on time/budget. It is hard though,
because it is much easier to care about a website when it is pretty and we
can all see it :)
My initial message to Jachym was trying to confirm that the organization
size worked for opengeolabs
<http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/service-providers/opengeolabs/> (simply
because this was already a decision that had been revisited once).
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 4:09 PM Jeff McKenna <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
wrote:
> Hi Jody,
>
> By alienating the smaller OSGeo companies in our new website, I don't
> see a benefit to OSGeo at all. Let us please all sizes of OSGeo
> companies, small and big.
>
> Yes this is tricky, for sure, even your initial message to Jachym shows
> a lot of what it could be like, if OSGeo suddenly distinguishes size.
> Let's avoid this totally, I believe.
>
> I am open to other suggestions to the wording as well.
>
> Tricky! :)
>
> -jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2017-08-21 6:53 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> > I already changed it from number to the size thing.
> >
> > This list was for support providers (since the website is about outreach
> > looks at projects, local chapters and service providers).
> >
> > GeoForAll labs and academic / research outreach are in slightly
> > different spot (we could cross link). See
> > http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/geo-for-all-labs/
> >
> > I do not think public:government, NGO/non-profit would like to be
> > contacted for commercial support :) That said they can be listed in our
> > site as partners and friends. Sort order is given to groups with a
> > defined relationship with OSGeo (such as ISPRS, LocationTech,...). See
> > http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/partners/
> >
> > Recognizing service providers on our website in this way is a new thing
> > - I hope it works out :)
> >
> > This design is full of difficult decisions thanks for contributing to
> > the discussion (and content).
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 3:30 PM Jeff McKenna
> > <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jachym,
> >
> > Yes I agree, it is a slippery slope that once we/OSGeo decide that
> size
> > is an important part of our organization (as you know, many other
> > organizations separate their membership by size), it opens up so many
> > other challenges. For that reason, I spoke up here to suggest that
> we
> > avoid all that, by suggesting 4 options to cover that.
> >
> > Indeed my proposal does include all organizations, purposely. OSGeo
> is
> > built on that, and has done an amazing job in creating a thriving
> > community.
> >
> > Thanks for listening Jachym,
> >
> > -jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2017-08-21 6:17 PM, Jachym Cepicky wrote:
> > > Hi Jeff (all)
> > >
> > > currently, the page is listing "service providers" - it's project
> > > oriented (as providing services to projects)
> > >
> > > your proposal is shifting it little bit to "all organisations",
> > not even
> > > service providing - but what is their releationship to the (osgeo)
> > > projects? - still, it would be fine to me
> > >
> > > I would be +1 for it, if it's does not hit to some other
> principle,
> > > already hardcoded in the page (e.g.
> > > http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/initiatives/geo-for-all/ is partly
> > > coreving the Academic/Research topic - just an example of
> potencial
> > > conflict, which we could oversee)
> > >
> > > I do not know, just noting, I have no strong opinion - I want to
> be
> > > inclusive, all for adding another categories, but the rules and
> > > principals should be clear. Currently, how I understand it "you
> > can be
> > > listed as long as you are providing services to projects"
> > >
> > > J
> > >
> > > út 22. 8. 2017 v 0:11 odesílatel Jeff McKenna
> > > <jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
> > <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>
> > <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com
> > <mailto:jmckenna at gatewaygeomatics.com>>>
> > > napsal:
> > >
> > > On 2017-08-21 5:11 PM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> > > > For your page
> > > >
> > http://osgeo.getinteractive.nl/service-providers/opengeolabs/ Is
> > > that a
> > > > single consultant (you!) or a company?
> > > > (or perhaps it is just a company with one person in it)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi Jody,
> > >
> > > Regarding separating the OSGeo community by size, I suggest
> > that we
> > > avoid offending our community members, so let's stay positive
> > and make
> > > the following change:
> > >
> > > I recommend that we/OSGeo change the "Organization Type"
> > section to
> > > contain the following 4 options:
> > >
> > > 1. Private
> > > 2. Academic/Research
> > > 3. Public/Government
> > > 4. Non-profit
> > >
> > > The same 4 options should be applied to the options in the
> > "Filter"
> > > search on the site for "Service Provider Type".
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Jachym: you did a great job on the OpenGeoLabs page, and
> > thanks for
> > > supporting OSGeo all of these years :)
> > >
> > >
> > > -jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff McKenna
> > > President Emeritus, OSGeo Foundation
> > > http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Jeff_McKenna
> > >
> > >
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