[OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct... followup to avoid lobbies

Tue Dec 18 01:47:13 PST 2018

Luigi,

I respect your points, and whilst I agree that in some (maybe even most)
situations, it is not a brilliant, if charter members are nominated by
people from their own company, I still do not see the need for elaborate
rules. Our current bylaws* clearly states that "*...Thereafter, to be
eligible for membership, a person must be nominated by an existing member
of the corporation pursuant to a written document in such form as shall be
adopted by the Board of Directors from time to time. The nomination must be
included in a notice to the members at least ten (10) days in advance of
the meeting at which the members will vote on the applicant’s admission.
Proposed members shall be admitted upon the affirmative vote of the members
of the corporation...*"

So, as it is now, the community does in fact have to recognize every single
charter member elected. My point against elaborate rules is both that they
are in my point of view distrustful, and that there will *always* be
situations that are not covered by such detailed rules. With the current
bylaws we have the possibility to act on that in our voting, but with
elaborate rules people could reasonably think that "if it is not forbidden
it is allowed".

Cheers,

Greg

*: Section 7.1 - https://www.osgeo.org/about/bylaws/

On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 10:03, Luigi Pirelli <luipir at gmail.com> wrote:

> IMHO are common rule to avoid conflict of interest. Obviously it' really
> hard to avoid lobbying buying or nominating friends, common rule to reduce
> this are "one person, one vote", election rotation, etc.
>
> "what extra would gain with this rule", that a nomination have to be
> recognized by a community, not strictly related to a company. I personally
> nominated or seconded many people I never met in my life, but I followed in
> their work or presentations during conferences or due their code
> contributions.... kind of web of thrust.
>
> Luigi Pirelli
>
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> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 09:49, Hans Gregers Hedegaard Petersen <
> gregers at septima.dk> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I find the lack of faith in the current system disturbing. Since I do not
>> understand what extra would gain with this rule, I would love if you could
>> give a simple example on the type of situations you wish to solve with more
>> elaborate rules? Could one not, in the current system, speak up against a
>> nomination? What if it was not within a company, but say that I nominated
>> all of my friends in the Danish geo society? Should we not forbid that?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 10:08, María Arias de Reyna <delawen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think that more than in the CoC, that should be on the member
>>> nomination. And yes, it makes sense. Can you propose a change on the
>>> membership procedure so the board can vote on this? We have some phrase
>>> about taking over OSGeo, maybe we can rephrase that.
>>>
>>> Although it is also true that people I know better and I can nominate
>>> with more arguments are usually people I work with. Either if it is working
>>> on the community or in a company, that's just usually a coincidence. But if
>>> they are good enough, I can suggest external people to nominate them, sure.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:04 AM Luigi Pirelli <luipir at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't find a rule (in code of conduct) or election rules about
>>>> charter member nomination...
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't like to see nomination of a member from another member
>>>> belonging to the same company. It could be a mechanism to create lobbies.
>>>>
>>>> any opinion?
>>>>
>>>> Luigi Pirelli
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **************************************************************************************************
>>>> * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigipirelli
>>>> * Stackexchange: http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli
>>>> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir
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>>>> *
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>>>> * Hire me: http://goo.gl/BYRQKg
>>>>
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On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 10:03, Luigi Pirelli <luipir at gmail.com> wrote:

> IMHO are common rule to avoid conflict of interest. Obviously it' really
> hard to avoid lobbying buying or nominating friends, common rule to reduce
> this are "one person, one vote", election rotation, etc.
>
> "what extra would gain with this rule", that a nomination have to be
> recognized by a community, not strictly related to a company. I personally
> nominated or seconded many people I never met in my life, but I followed in
> their work or presentations during conferences or due their code
> contributions.... kind of web of thrust.
>
> Luigi Pirelli
>
>
> **************************************************************************************************
> * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigipirelli
> * Stackexchange: http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli
> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir
> * Mastering QGIS 2nd Edition:
> *
> https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/mastering-qgis-second-edition
> * Hire me: http://goo.gl/BYRQKg
>
> **************************************************************************************************
>
>
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 09:49, Hans Gregers Hedegaard Petersen <
> gregers at septima.dk> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I find the lack of faith in the current system disturbing. Since I do not
>> understand what extra would gain with this rule, I would love if you could
>> give a simple example on the type of situations you wish to solve with more
>> elaborate rules? Could one not, in the current system, speak up against a
>> nomination? What if it was not within a company, but say that I nominated
>> all of my friends in the Danish geo society? Should we not forbid that?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Greg
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 10:08, María Arias de Reyna <delawen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think that more than in the CoC, that should be on the member
>>> nomination. And yes, it makes sense. Can you propose a change on the
>>> membership procedure so the board can vote on this? We have some phrase
>>> about taking over OSGeo, maybe we can rephrase that.
>>>
>>> Although it is also true that people I know better and I can nominate
>>> with more arguments are usually people I work with. Either if it is working
>>> on the community or in a company, that's just usually a coincidence. But if
>>> they are good enough, I can suggest external people to nominate them, sure.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:04 AM Luigi Pirelli <luipir at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can't find a rule (in code of conduct) or election rules about
>>>> charter member nomination...
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't like to see nomination of a member from another member
>>>> belonging to the same company. It could be a mechanism to create lobbies.
>>>>
>>>> any opinion?
>>>>
>>>> Luigi Pirelli
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **************************************************************************************************
>>>> * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigipirelli
>>>> * Stackexchange: http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli
>>>> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir
>>>> * Mastering QGIS 2nd Edition:
>>>> *
>>>> https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/mastering-qgis-second-edition
>>>> * Hire me: http://goo.gl/BYRQKg
>>>>
>>>> **************************************************************************************************
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>> Discuss at lists.osgeo.org
>>>> https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Discuss mailing list
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