[OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct... followup to avoid lobbies

Tue Dec 18 02:17:59 PST 2018

let me rephrase, your suggestion is that, with the actual rule, in case of
"lobby", other member should rise the exception for a specified candidate?
Luigi Pirelli

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On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 10:47, Hans Gregers Hedegaard Petersen <
gregers at septima.dk> wrote:

> Luigi,
>
> I respect your points, and whilst I agree that in some (maybe even most)
> situations, it is not a brilliant, if charter members are nominated by
> people from their own company, I still do not see the need for elaborate
> rules. Our current bylaws* clearly states that "*...Thereafter, to be
> eligible for membership, a person must be nominated by an existing member
> of the corporation pursuant to a written document in such form as shall be
> adopted by the Board of Directors from time to time. The nomination must be
> included in a notice to the members at least ten (10) days in advance of
> the meeting at which the members will vote on the applicant’s admission.
> Proposed members shall be admitted upon the affirmative vote of the members
> of the corporation...*"
>
> So, as it is now, the community does in fact have to recognize every
> single charter member elected. My point against elaborate rules is both
> that they are in my point of view distrustful, and that there will
> *always* be situations that are not covered by such detailed rules. With
> the current bylaws we have the possibility to act on that in our voting,
> but with elaborate rules people could reasonably think that "if it is not
> forbidden it is allowed".
>
> Cheers,
>
> Greg
>
> *: Section 7.1 - https://www.osgeo.org/about/bylaws/
>
>
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 10:03, Luigi Pirelli <luipir at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> IMHO are common rule to avoid conflict of interest. Obviously it' really
>> hard to avoid lobbying buying or nominating friends, common rule to reduce
>> this are "one person, one vote", election rotation, etc.
>>
>> "what extra would gain with this rule", that a nomination have to be
>> recognized by a community, not strictly related to a company. I personally
>> nominated or seconded many people I never met in my life, but I followed in
>> their work or presentations during conferences or due their code
>> contributions.... kind of web of thrust.
>>
>> Luigi Pirelli
>>
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>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 09:49, Hans Gregers Hedegaard Petersen <
>> gregers at septima.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I find the lack of faith in the current system disturbing. Since I do
>>> not understand what extra would gain with this rule, I would love if you
>>> could give a simple example on the type of situations you wish to solve
>>> with more elaborate rules? Could one not, in the current system, speak up
>>> against a nomination? What if it was not within a company, but say that I
>>> nominated all of my friends in the Danish geo society? Should we not forbid
>>> that?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 10:08, María Arias de Reyna <delawen at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think that more than in the CoC, that should be on the member
>>>> nomination. And yes, it makes sense. Can you propose a change on the
>>>> membership procedure so the board can vote on this? We have some phrase
>>>> about taking over OSGeo, maybe we can rephrase that.
>>>>
>>>> Although it is also true that people I know better and I can nominate
>>>> with more arguments are usually people I work with. Either if it is working
>>>> on the community or in a company, that's just usually a coincidence. But if
>>>> they are good enough, I can suggest external people to nominate them, sure.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:04 AM Luigi Pirelli <luipir at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can't find a rule (in code of conduct) or election rules about
>>>>> charter member nomination...
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't like to see nomination of a member from another member
>>>>> belonging to the same company. It could be a mechanism to create lobbies.
>>>>>
>>>>> any opinion?
>>>>>
>>>>> Luigi Pirelli
>>>>>
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> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 10:03, Luigi Pirelli <luipir at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> IMHO are common rule to avoid conflict of interest. Obviously it' really
>> hard to avoid lobbying buying or nominating friends, common rule to reduce
>> this are "one person, one vote", election rotation, etc.
>>
>> "what extra would gain with this rule", that a nomination have to be
>> recognized by a community, not strictly related to a company. I personally
>> nominated or seconded many people I never met in my life, but I followed in
>> their work or presentations during conferences or due their code
>> contributions.... kind of web of thrust.
>>
>> Luigi Pirelli
>>
>>
>> **************************************************************************************************
>> * LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigipirelli
>> * Stackexchange: http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli
>> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir
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>> *
>> https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/mastering-qgis-second-edition
>> * Hire me: http://goo.gl/BYRQKg
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>> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 09:49, Hans Gregers Hedegaard Petersen <
>> gregers at septima.dk> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I find the lack of faith in the current system disturbing. Since I do
>>> not understand what extra would gain with this rule, I would love if you
>>> could give a simple example on the type of situations you wish to solve
>>> with more elaborate rules? Could one not, in the current system, speak up
>>> against a nomination? What if it was not within a company, but say that I
>>> nominated all of my friends in the Danish geo society? Should we not forbid
>>> that?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 10:08, María Arias de Reyna <delawen at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think that more than in the CoC, that should be on the member
>>>> nomination. And yes, it makes sense. Can you propose a change on the
>>>> membership procedure so the board can vote on this? We have some phrase
>>>> about taking over OSGeo, maybe we can rephrase that.
>>>>
>>>> Although it is also true that people I know better and I can nominate
>>>> with more arguments are usually people I work with. Either if it is working
>>>> on the community or in a company, that's just usually a coincidence. But if
>>>> they are good enough, I can suggest external people to nominate them, sure.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 10:04 AM Luigi Pirelli <luipir at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can't find a rule (in code of conduct) or election rules about
>>>>> charter member nomination...
>>>>>
>>>>> I wouldn't like to see nomination of a member from another member
>>>>> belonging to the same company. It could be a mechanism to create lobbies.
>>>>>
>>>>> any opinion?
>>>>>
>>>>> Luigi Pirelli
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> * Stackexchange:
>>>>> http://gis.stackexchange.com/users/19667/luigi-pirelli
>>>>> * GitHub: https://github.com/luipir
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>>>>> *
>>>>> https://www.packtpub.com/big-data-and-business-intelligence/mastering-qgis-second-edition
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