[OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct... followup to avoid lobbies

Tue Dec 18 04:00:02 PST 2018

good Idea, I like it :)

Luigi Pirelli

p.s Tom is one I seconded, and I never met him ;)

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On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 12:45, Tom Chadwin <tom.chadwin at nnpa.org.uk> wrote:

> Hello all
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> Perhaps if we request a declaration of any relationship (commercial or
> personal) between nominator/seconder and nominee, that would make
> everything transparent, and allow members to judge for themselves whether
> such relationships cast doubt on the validity of the nominee?
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> Thanks
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> Tom
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> *From:* Discuss [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org] *On Behalf Of *María
> Arias de Reyna
> *Sent:* 18 December 2018 11:15
> *To:* Luigi Pirelli
> *Cc:* OSGeo Discussions
> *Subject:* Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Code of Conduct... followup to avoid
> lobbies
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> Hi,
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> I agree with Luigi in that we should be aware of this and have common
> rules. I think this falls into the "common sense" that is not so common
> once you start mixing cultures. I have also experienced this "I prefer to
> have someone not from my company do this" to make sure everything is clear
> and transparent while I saw other people not waiting for that. And, at the
> same time, I have nominated a coworker not because he's in my company but
> because I knew he deserved it.
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> So... where to draw the line? More complex rules? Trust an abstract
> "common sense" that will differ depending on the individual?
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> Also, if there is no "rule" or "recommendation" about what to do about
> lobbies... why would a company think it is bad to lobby inside OSGeo and
> have members participating? Why would anyone think it is bad to have their
> private interests pushing? I mean, for me it is clear but I understand not
> everyone understands open software the same way. If you go to more
> capitalist liberal cultures, you may found people thinking that the obvious
> way to work is to have companies investing directly on their interests
> through OSGeo, so pushing to have more power inside OSGeo to recover that
> investment makes sense to them. It is another way of understanding open
> software. A way I don't agree with, but who am I to say it is not valid...
> unless OSGeo explicitly says so?
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> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 11:50 AM Luigi Pirelli <luipir at gmail.com> wrote:
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> in my experience, "trust that they would speak up " is so strongly
> dependent on culture that I would prefer a rule.
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> in this election I saw a company member propose a colleague, this for me
> is not ethically correct, but I shut up because who I'm I to judge the
> contribution of this nomination in his "dev" community or other OS related
> community?
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> I remember all the time I spent waiting review of my PR from outside the
> company where I worked, because for me it's not ethical (and safe) that a
> colleague would review my work when this work affect all the rest of the
> world!
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> btw for me no problem if "all" of us can live with this risks
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> Luigi Pirelli
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> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 11:27, Hans Gregers Hedegaard Petersen <
> gregers at septima.dk> wrote:
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> Hi Luigi,
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> Yes, I have a trust in our members, and also trust that they would speak
> up their concerns if they saw a problem (of any kind) with a nomination.
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> Best,
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> Greg
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> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 11:18, Luigi Pirelli <luipir at gmail.com> wrote:
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> let me rephrase, your suggestion is that, with the actual rule, in case of
> "lobby", other member should rise the exception for a specified candidate?
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> Luigi Pirelli
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