[OSGeo-Edu] Certification of Gary's course

[watry at steam.coaps.fsu.edu]

Quoting "Pericles S. Nacionales" <naci0002 at umn.edu>:
Point taken
I will change that part to read that the student can use the 
uncompression  program of their choice. But They must use a program 
capable of uncompressing a .zip file and  that I was going to use 
WinZip in the course example

Without being snide or rude, Let me clarify something else, the main 
reason that I would like to use the OSGeo logo is to provide addition 
exposure for the OSGeo Foundation. It seems that the foundation is 
growing within the Open Source Community but I would like to see it 
expand in the public, professional and educational communities.  My 
course work is already going to over 7 educational institutes and 11 
countries. I already have 4 new educational Institutes that have 
expressed an interest in the fall term. I am collabrorating with the 
authors of several software packages on the course work before it goes 
public and they have agreed with everything I stated in my course work. 
The course work will continue to expand content and exposure wise. I 
believe in Open Source and the foundation and want to help it grow. The 
use of the logo does not really benefit or hurt the course.

A professional magazine "Geospational Solutions" is will to allow me 
(us) to submit articles about open source. I am not sure of the spin 
yet, A regular column on Open Source Geospatial Software or a series of 
feature articles, but the door has at least been opened. But how did 
they say it in Star Trek "Our Mission: To go where no man has gone 
before." Now I will get off my soap box.

> Here's my $0.02...  as bottom line goes, I don't have a problem with 
> Gary, Ari, or Charlie using the OSGeo logo for their tutorials.  I 
> would, however, like to see these tutorials (with proper, 
> OSGeo-accepted copyright license) in the wiki and we ought to 
> continue discussing how we would proceed with certification.  We can 
> always make changes to these tutorials if needed.
>
> I haven't really heard anyone say they don't want to see Gary use the 
> OSGeo logo. If anyone has reservations, we would like to hear it.
>
> One important question, do we (the education committee) have a say in 
> approving the use of OSGeo logo or is this something that requires 
> the board's approval?
>
> -Perry
>
> PS: By the way, Gary,do you really need to download winzip for this 
> tutorial?  I thought current versions of Windows include an unzip 
> utility.  For Windows 2000 maybe...
>
>
> P Kishor wrote:
>> On 8/27/06, Charlie Schweik <cschweik at pubpol.umass.edu> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> > > From: Gary Watry <watry at steam.coaps.fsu.edu>
>>> > > To: discuss at edu.osgeo.org
>>> > > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:35:41 -0400
>>> > > Subject: OEGEO Logo - Bottom Line
>>> > > Bottom Line
>>> > > 1. can I use the OSGEO Logo on the front cover page
>>> > > 2. Can I put the logo on the Certificate of Completion along with our
>>> > > COAPS logo
>>> > > 3. Can I state in the intro to the course that this is a OSGEO
>>> > > recognized Course.
>>> >
>>> > I am trying to follow up on this as I have been out on the road for
>>> > most of past week. Last I saw was Ari's suggestion to discuss this on
>>> > the list, and he had mostly no issues with Gary's request. (or, is
>>> > this being discussed on the wiki?)
>>> >
>>> > Are we in a position to give Gary an answer on way or another?
>>> I believe Ari and I both thought it was fine. Not sure if others chimed
>>> in.
>>>
>>> > What are the implications for OSGeo having its logo appear as
>>> > endorsing a course?
>>> >
>>> > What vetting does a course need to go through before OSGeo's logo 
>>> can be used?
>>> >
>>> > Who will do the vetting?
>>> >
>>> > Is this a case-by-case, ad hoc process, or does this need to be 
>>> formalized?
>>> >
>>> > We have many practicing academics on this list. Please give us your
>>> > informed opinion.
>>> I guess a main concern in the long term would be if the course wasn't
>>> somehow a quality course and its implications/reflections on OSGeo. It
>>> raises the question of whether course content should be peer reviewed
>>> prior to being OSGeo sanctioned.
>>>
>>> But the more important right now to OSGeo is probably getting
>>> *something* out there and it certainly appears like Gary is doing great
>>> things. I will want to do a similar thing this fall, and would be happy
>>> if there was some peer-review of the material we are developing.
>>
>> Definitely there should be peer-review. That is what the wiki is there
>> for. That plus any other suitable mechanism.
>>
>> If a course is developed cooperatively by several edu members then it
>> will automagically be peer-reviewed (sort of like XP).
>>
>> But even then, are their any legal implications to having OSGeo's logo
>> appear on a course? What does that imply? Does it mean, the course is
>> recognized, or certified, or endorsed (all those terms have different
>> level of involvement and responsibility, and hence, liability). For
>> expediency in Gary's case, perhaps "recognized" might have the right
>> level of nod toward his course.
>>
>>>
>>> So regarding Puneet's last question: maybe we do a case-by-case for the
>>> next year, maybe, with then the idea that it eventually gets more
>>> formalized? I'm finding in my open source programming collaboration
>>> research that formalized processes are seen as barriers to
>>> collaboration. Right now, I think we want to keep the number of hoops
>>> people need to go through to contribute minimal.
>>
>> I agree that formalization creates barriers, but that is the very
>> purpose of formalization -- to distinguish between those who have been
>> formalized from those who are not. I am not for it, but there may be
>> some who might seek such recognition. Besides, plastering OSGeo logo
>> on just about everything would certainly lead to some sort of
>> value-dilution, no?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> But at the same time, we want to develop a culture of good, high quality
>>> work, so we should all try to provide positive, constructive feedback if
>>> something looks like it needs some improvement.
>>
>> I think "collaboration" is key here. A course that has been developed
>> by one person solamente will have to seek recognition from others,
>> while a course that has been developed collaboratively will, by its
>> nature, already be recognized by many. Hence, the first lesson would
>> be to develop lessons in teams, share, make them available for
>> constant and on-going input and critique.
>>
>>
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