Fwd: [OSGeo-Edu] Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] Introdution tutorials

P Kishor punk.kish at gmail.com
Mon Feb 26 10:57:48 EST 2007 

Am forwarding Ned's message to everyone that might have accidentally
missed the list.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ned Horning <horning at amnh.org>
Date: Feb 26, 2007 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: [OSGeo-Edu] Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] Introdution tutorials
To: punkish at eidesis.org


All,

Would some sort of moderated wiki work? Or, maybe create a form for people
to upload content (description and link) to maintain consistency. I would
like to see some distinction between the brainstorming type wikis that
currently populate the OSGeo site with production type wikis (or maybe
non-wikis) that are designed for mass consumption. I realize both would be
available to the public but if we want the site to be useful to the masses
then we need to put more effort into that.

Ned


> -----Original Message-----
> From: edu_discuss-bounces at lists.osgeo.org [mailto:edu_discuss-
> bounces at lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of P Kishor
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:27 AM
> To: edu_discuss at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Edu] Fwd: [OSGeo-Discuss] Introdution tutorials
>
> On 2/26/07, Markus Neteler <neteler.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I feel that we need a bit more than a Wiki approach here - OSGeo
> > should provide a list of *selected* references. Otherwise it will become
> > just yet-another-list of tutorials.
>
>
> Hi Markus,
>
> I think what you suggest is a good idea, but I fear it has the danger
> of falling into bit-rot and other forms of neglect. The problem with
> *selected* references is that someone has to *select* them. As far as
> I know, we have not yet developed a clear policy on blessing tutorials
> and other packages with OSGeo's imprimatur. Doing so also requires
> someone (or somemany) to go through those packages and determining
> their suitability for *selection*. Who will do that?
>
> Even if the packages were *selected*, loading them on OSGeo's servers
> might have its own impedance -- at least it requires getting hold of
> someone who can do that. If the author wants to do that, sure, go
> ahead. Tyler has already said that he has no problem with helping out
> with that. I can help with that if I know where to store them for the
> long-term.
>
> In the long run, yes, having a few, key, tutorials/packages with the
> OSGeo brand on them would be great. In my opinion, these are likely to
> be the ones that accompany the official distro of the said project --
> for example, official docs/tutorial that comes with OpenLayers, and so
> on.
>
> I would love to hear what others think, but the key is to give, in
> this case, Gary, a quick and unequivocal answer on what to do.
>
>
> > The list may enrich the
> > http://www.osgeo.org/education
> > page, too.
> >
> > Markus
> >
> > On 2/26/07, Pericles S. Nacionales <naci0002 at umn.edu> wrote:
> > > If the Education Committe doesn't want to address this, I will
recommend that
> > > the Web Committee take it on.  I was really hoping we (the Education
> > > Committee) would take a little bit of time to discuss things like
this.
> > > Perhaps we need another IRC meeting...
> > >
> > > -Perry
> > >
> > > On Saturday 24 February 2007 09:48, P Kishor wrote:
> > > > http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/Education_and_Curriculum_Committee
> > > > section 4 is for "Existing open educational geospatial materials".
> > > > Adding a link there would be the easiest. See below for my reasoning
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > On 2/24/07, Markus Neteler <neteler.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Hi eduCom,
> > > > >
> > > > > for those not following the main discuss list, here a relevant
FWD.
> > > > > I think that we (eduCom) should take care of this request.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > markus
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > > > From: Tyler Mitchell <tylermitchell at shaw.ca>
> > > > > Date: Feb 22, 2007 12:14 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Introdution tutorials
> > > > > To: OSGeo Discussions <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>, Gary Watry
> > > > > <watry at coaps.fsu.edu>
> > > > >
> > > > > On 21-Feb-07, at 3:52 AM, watry at steam.coaps.fsu.edu wrote:
> > > > > > If you go to http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/gis and along the bottom
of
> > > > > > the page are three tutorials. Quantum GIS, uDig, MapWindows. We
are
> > > > > > getting ready to produce OpenJump, OSSIM, and one more package
this
> > > > > > spring.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My Question is that at one point in the past, It was discussed
> > > > > > about the possibility to place these on the OSGEO Website.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So?
> > > > > > 1. Is the loading of tutorials on the osgeo website still the
> > > > > > concept or is just linking to other sites the plan?
> > > >
> > > > In my opinion linking would be preferred. Why?
> > > >
> > > > One, it is the quickest. If you want to add something you made, you
> > > > don't have to wait for anyone to help you load it. You just go, edit
> > > > the wiki, add the link to your own material, and you are done.
> > > >
> > > > Two, it keeps the freshest version always available to the public.
> > > > Otherwise you would have to keep syncing the one you have loaded on
> > > > the OSGeo website with the one you are probably continually
developing
> > > > in your lab or office.
> > > >
> > > > Three, by hosting it on your own server, other benefits accrue. For
> > > > example, you can keep track of how many folks are downloading your
> > > > tutorial by looking at your logs.
> > > >
> > > > And, finally, four, you don't get into the hassle of figuring the
most
> > > > suitable license, or being in conformance with OSGeo's processes and
> > > > procedures. Just state the license along with the link, and you are
> > > > good to go.
> > > >
> > > > For example --
> > > >
> > > > - GITTA - Geographic Information Technology Training Alliance with
> > > > material under Creative Commons license
> > > > - my great tutorial under public domain
> > > > - my even better tutorial under capitalist version 2 license
> > > >
> > > > The only two reasons I can think of why you would want to load a
copy
> > > > on OSGeo's servers are: one, you don't have the server resources
> > > > available to host something; and two, you are creating a package in
> > > > colllaboration with others on OSGeo, so wiki is the best method to
do
> > > > so.
> > > >
> > > > If these apply, definitely pursue the route suggested by Tyler
below,
> > > > but be aware of the limitations.
> > > >
> > > > > > 2. how and where does someone go about doing this?
> > > > >
> > > > > This hasn't been discussed for a while, but if the Education
> > > > > Committee wants to host the files on osgeo.org, that's no problem.
> > > > > I'd suggest that the Edu. group start an educational library with
> > > > > public domain downloads available and put yours in there.  We have
a
> > > > > similar library (under development) for promotional material and
> > > > > presentations.  Having a branch of it for education would make a
lot
> > > > > of sense.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone from the Web Committee, including myself, can help get the
> > > > > files online for you when ready.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Perry Nacionales
> > > Dept. of Forest Resources
> > > University of Minnesota
> > > naci0002 at umn.edu





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Nelson Inst. for Env. Studies, UW-Madison http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/
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