[OSGeo-Edu] IRC meeting tomorrow to discuss hosting OSGeo tutorials

Wed Feb 28 18:22:14 EST 2007

I'll try for this 6am meeting, but going to be tough.  Hopefully it  
is a good time for several others east of me :)

On 28-Feb-07, at 12:49 PM, P Kishor wrote:

> A reminder that at least Perry and I will be online tomorrow on IRC at
> 8am CST in the US. That is 2 pm UTC around the world. See
> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html? 
> month=3&day=1&year=2007&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0>
> for a timezone near you. If you miss this chat, please do share your
> thoughts with everyone via this list.
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
> On 2/26/07, Pericles S. Nacionales <naci0002 at umn.edu> wrote:
>> On Monday 26 February 2007 09:37, P Kishor wrote:
>> > On 2/26/07, Pericles S. Nacionales <naci0002 at umn.edu> wrote:
>> > > Puneet,
>> > >
>> > > I just read Ned's e-mail.  I also read Markus's reply just now  
>> which
>> > > captures what I wanted to say.  So, what do you say about an  
>> IRC meeting?
>> >
>> > Sounds like a plan. Except for this Friday morning, I am  
>> available all
>> > other days at 8am in United States CST, or UTC -6. Let me know what
>> > works for the majority.
>> >
>> > To keep the IRC meeting focused, let's discuss this issue of  
>> loading
>> > vs. linking material and move the "OSGeo branding" agenda  
>> forward. Of
>> > course, if you have other ideas to discuss, just bring them to the
>> > table.
>> >
>> > Many thanks,
>>
>> Hmm, would 8:00AM CST (2:00PM GMT) work for our friends across the  
>> two big
>> ponds?  I could also make any weekday at this time but I'd like to  
>> hear from
>> others.  This is a particularly difficult time for those in the  
>> western US...
>>
>> How does Thursday, 1 March,  at 2:00PM GMT (9:00AM EST, 6:00PST)  
>> work for
>> others?  Here's a link to local times around the world:
>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html? 
>> month=3&day=1&year=2007&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
>>
>> -Perry
>>
>> >
>> > > On Monday 26 February 2007 09:16, P Kishor wrote:
>> > > > On 2/26/07, Pericles S. Nacionales <naci0002 at umn.edu> wrote:
>> > > > > If the Education Committe doesn't want to address this, I  
>> will
>> > > > > recommend that the Web Committee take it on.  I was really  
>> hoping we
>> > > > > (the Education Committee) would take a little bit of time  
>> to discuss
>> > > > > things like this. Perhaps we need another IRC meeting...
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi Perry,
>> > > >
>> > > > We did discuss it, and the couple of us who commented (Ned  
>> and myself)
>> > > > feel that putting links on the wiki is the quickest (see  
>> reasoning in
>> > > > the included emails below). Perhaps you missed those emails, or
>> > > > perhaps you have other ideas. If so, please do tell us your  
>> thoughts
>> > > > and we will gladly discuss them. The quicker a clear  
>> guidance is out
>> > > > the best it is for those producing tutorials and wanting to  
>> share
>> > > > them.
>> > > >
>> > > > Regards,
>> > > >
>> > > > Puneet.
>> > > >
>> > > > > On Saturday 24 February 2007 09:48, P Kishor wrote:
>> > > > > > http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/ 
>> Education_and_Curriculum_Committee
>> > > > > > section 4 is for "Existing open educational geospatial  
>> materials".
>> > > > > > Adding a link there would be the easiest. See below for my
>> > > > > > reasoning --
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On 2/24/07, Markus Neteler <neteler.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > Hi eduCom,
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > for those not following the main discuss list, here a  
>> relevant
>> > > > > > > FWD. I think that we (eduCom) should take care of this  
>> request.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Best,
>> > > > > > > markus
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > > > > > > From: Tyler Mitchell <tylermitchell at shaw.ca>
>> > > > > > > Date: Feb 22, 2007 12:14 AM
>> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Introdution tutorials
>> > > > > > > To: OSGeo Discussions <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>, Gary  
>> Watry
>> > > > > > > <watry at coaps.fsu.edu>
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On 21-Feb-07, at 3:52 AM, watry at steam.coaps.fsu.edu  
>> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > If you go to http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/gis and along  
>> the bottom
>> > > > > > > > of the page are three tutorials. Quantum GIS, uDig,  
>> MapWindows.
>> > > > > > > > We are getting ready to produce OpenJump, OSSIM, and  
>> one more
>> > > > > > > > package this spring.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > My Question is that at one point in the past, It was  
>> discussed
>> > > > > > > > about the possibility to place these on the OSGEO  
>> Website.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > So?
>> > > > > > > > 1. Is the loading of tutorials on the osgeo website  
>> still the
>> > > > > > > > concept or is just linking to other sites the plan?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > In my opinion linking would be preferred. Why?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > One, it is the quickest. If you want to add something  
>> you made, you
>> > > > > > don't have to wait for anyone to help you load it. You  
>> just go,
>> > > > > > edit the wiki, add the link to your own material, and  
>> you are done.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Two, it keeps the freshest version always available to  
>> the public.
>> > > > > > Otherwise you would have to keep syncing the one you  
>> have loaded on
>> > > > > > the OSGeo website with the one you are probably continually
>> > > > > > developing in your lab or office.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Three, by hosting it on your own server, other benefits  
>> accrue. For
>> > > > > > example, you can keep track of how many folks are  
>> downloading your
>> > > > > > tutorial by looking at your logs.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > And, finally, four, you don't get into the hassle of  
>> figuring the
>> > > > > > most suitable license, or being in conformance with OSGeo's
>> > > > > > processes and procedures. Just state the license along  
>> with the
>> > > > > > link, and you are good to go.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > For example --
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > - GITTA - Geographic Information Technology Training  
>> Alliance with
>> > > > > > material under Creative Commons license
>> > > > > > - my great tutorial under public domain
>> > > > > > - my even better tutorial under capitalist version 2  
>> license
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The only two reasons I can think of why you would want  
>> to load a
>> > > > > > copy on OSGeo's servers are: one, you don't have the server
>> > > > > > resources available to host something; and two, you are  
>> creating a
>> > > > > > package in colllaboration with others on OSGeo, so wiki  
>> is the best
>> > > > > > method to do so.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If these apply, definitely pursue the route suggested by  
>> Tyler
>> > > > > > below, but be aware of the limitations.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > 2. how and where does someone go about doing this?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > This hasn't been discussed for a while, but if the  
>> Education
>> > > > > > > Committee wants to host the files on osgeo.org, that's no
>> > > > > > > problem. I'd suggest that the Edu. group start an  
>> educational
>> > > > > > > library with public domain downloads available and put  
>> yours in
>> > > > > > > there.  We have a similar library (under development) for
>> > > > > > > promotional material and presentations.  Having a  
>> branch of it
>> > > > > > > for education would make a lot of sense.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Anyone from the Web Committee, including myself, can  
>> help get the
>> > > > > > > files online for you when ready.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > Perry Nacionales
>
>
>
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