[OSGeo-Edu] IRC meeting tomorrow to discuss hosting OSGeo tutorials

Wed Feb 28 18:30:14 EST 2007

Hi all, given that I haven't heard from anyone else, I recommend
delaying the meeting to 10am CST in the US tomorrow (Perry/Puneet
time), that is, 8am PST (Tyler time), 4pm UTC. These will catch most
everyone at a reasonable time. The only one that I know it will be
inconvenient for will be Venka in Tokyo, but at least most of us will
be coherent.

So, unless I hear otherwise, we are shooting for
<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=3&day=1&year=2007&hour=16&min=0&sec=0&p1=0>

See you in #osgeo on irc.freenode.net

On 2/28/07, Tyler Mitchell <tylermitchell at shaw.ca> wrote:
> I'll try for this 6am meeting, but going to be tough.  Hopefully it
> is a good time for several others east of me :)
>
> On 28-Feb-07, at 12:49 PM, P Kishor wrote:
>
> > A reminder that at least Perry and I will be online tomorrow on IRC at
> > 8am CST in the US. That is 2 pm UTC around the world. See
> > <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> > month=3&day=1&year=2007&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0>
> > for a timezone near you. If you miss this chat, please do share your
> > thoughts with everyone via this list.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> >
> >
> > On 2/26/07, Pericles S. Nacionales <naci0002 at umn.edu> wrote:
> >> On Monday 26 February 2007 09:37, P Kishor wrote:
> >> > On 2/26/07, Pericles S. Nacionales <naci0002 at umn.edu> wrote:
> >> > > Puneet,
> >> > >
> >> > > I just read Ned's e-mail.  I also read Markus's reply just now
> >> which
> >> > > captures what I wanted to say.  So, what do you say about an
> >> IRC meeting?
> >> >
> >> > Sounds like a plan. Except for this Friday morning, I am
> >> available all
> >> > other days at 8am in United States CST, or UTC -6. Let me know what
> >> > works for the majority.
> >> >
> >> > To keep the IRC meeting focused, let's discuss this issue of
> >> loading
> >> > vs. linking material and move the "OSGeo branding" agenda
> >> forward. Of
> >> > course, if you have other ideas to discuss, just bring them to the
> >> > table.
> >> >
> >> > Many thanks,
> >>
> >> Hmm, would 8:00AM CST (2:00PM GMT) work for our friends across the
> >> two big
> >> ponds?  I could also make any weekday at this time but I'd like to
> >> hear from
> >> others.  This is a particularly difficult time for those in the
> >> western US...
> >>
> >> How does Thursday, 1 March,  at 2:00PM GMT (9:00AM EST, 6:00PST)
> >> work for
> >> others?  Here's a link to local times around the world:
> >> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> >> month=3&day=1&year=2007&hour=14&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
> >>
> >> -Perry
> >>
> >> >
> >> > > On Monday 26 February 2007 09:16, P Kishor wrote:
> >> > > > On 2/26/07, Pericles S. Nacionales <naci0002 at umn.edu> wrote:
> >> > > > > If the Education Committe doesn't want to address this, I
> >> will
> >> > > > > recommend that the Web Committee take it on.  I was really
> >> hoping we
> >> > > > > (the Education Committee) would take a little bit of time
> >> to discuss
> >> > > > > things like this. Perhaps we need another IRC meeting...
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi Perry,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > We did discuss it, and the couple of us who commented (Ned
> >> and myself)
> >> > > > feel that putting links on the wiki is the quickest (see
> >> reasoning in
> >> > > > the included emails below). Perhaps you missed those emails, or
> >> > > > perhaps you have other ideas. If so, please do tell us your
> >> thoughts
> >> > > > and we will gladly discuss them. The quicker a clear
> >> guidance is out
> >> > > > the best it is for those producing tutorials and wanting to
> >> share
> >> > > > them.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Regards,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Puneet.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > On Saturday 24 February 2007 09:48, P Kishor wrote:
> >> > > > > > http://wiki.osgeo.org/index.php/
> >> Education_and_Curriculum_Committee
> >> > > > > > section 4 is for "Existing open educational geospatial
> >> materials".
> >> > > > > > Adding a link there would be the easiest. See below for my
> >> > > > > > reasoning --
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On 2/24/07, Markus Neteler <neteler.osgeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > Hi eduCom,
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > for those not following the main discuss list, here a
> >> relevant
> >> > > > > > > FWD. I think that we (eduCom) should take care of this
> >> request.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Best,
> >> > > > > > > markus
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> > > > > > > From: Tyler Mitchell <tylermitchell at shaw.ca>
> >> > > > > > > Date: Feb 22, 2007 12:14 AM
> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] Introdution tutorials
> >> > > > > > > To: OSGeo Discussions <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>, Gary
> >> Watry
> >> > > > > > > <watry at coaps.fsu.edu>
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On 21-Feb-07, at 3:52 AM, watry at steam.coaps.fsu.edu
> >> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > If you go to http://www.coaps.fsu.edu/gis and along
> >> the bottom
> >> > > > > > > > of the page are three tutorials. Quantum GIS, uDig,
> >> MapWindows.
> >> > > > > > > > We are getting ready to produce OpenJump, OSSIM, and
> >> one more
> >> > > > > > > > package this spring.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > My Question is that at one point in the past, It was
> >> discussed
> >> > > > > > > > about the possibility to place these on the OSGEO
> >> Website.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > So?
> >> > > > > > > > 1. Is the loading of tutorials on the osgeo website
> >> still the
> >> > > > > > > > concept or is just linking to other sites the plan?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > In my opinion linking would be preferred. Why?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > One, it is the quickest. If you want to add something
> >> you made, you
> >> > > > > > don't have to wait for anyone to help you load it. You
> >> just go,
> >> > > > > > edit the wiki, add the link to your own material, and
> >> you are done.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Two, it keeps the freshest version always available to
> >> the public.
> >> > > > > > Otherwise you would have to keep syncing the one you
> >> have loaded on
> >> > > > > > the OSGeo website with the one you are probably continually
> >> > > > > > developing in your lab or office.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Three, by hosting it on your own server, other benefits
> >> accrue. For
> >> > > > > > example, you can keep track of how many folks are
> >> downloading your
> >> > > > > > tutorial by looking at your logs.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > And, finally, four, you don't get into the hassle of
> >> figuring the
> >> > > > > > most suitable license, or being in conformance with OSGeo's
> >> > > > > > processes and procedures. Just state the license along
> >> with the
> >> > > > > > link, and you are good to go.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > For example --
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > - GITTA - Geographic Information Technology Training
> >> Alliance with
> >> > > > > > material under Creative Commons license
> >> > > > > > - my great tutorial under public domain
> >> > > > > > - my even better tutorial under capitalist version 2
> >> license
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > The only two reasons I can think of why you would want
> >> to load a
> >> > > > > > copy on OSGeo's servers are: one, you don't have the server
> >> > > > > > resources available to host something; and two, you are
> >> creating a
> >> > > > > > package in colllaboration with others on OSGeo, so wiki
> >> is the best
> >> > > > > > method to do so.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > If these apply, definitely pursue the route suggested by
> >> Tyler
> >> > > > > > below, but be aware of the limitations.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > 2. how and where does someone go about doing this?
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > This hasn't been discussed for a while, but if the
> >> Education
> >> > > > > > > Committee wants to host the files on osgeo.org, that's no
> >> > > > > > > problem. I'd suggest that the Edu. group start an
> >> educational
> >> > > > > > > library with public domain downloads available and put
> >> yours in
> >> > > > > > > there.  We have a similar library (under development) for
> >> > > > > > > promotional material and presentations.  Having a
> >> branch of it
> >> > > > > > > for education would make a lot of sense.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Anyone from the Web Committee, including myself, can
> >> help get the
> >> > > > > > > files online for you when ready.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > --
> >> > > > > Perry Nacionales
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Puneet Kishor http://punkish.eidesis.org/
> > Nelson Inst. for Env. Studies, UW-Madison http://www.nelson.wisc.edu/
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