[EU] [OSGeo-Discuss] [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a European Chapter

Thu Jul 27 02:02:14 PDT 2017

Hi,

I think that we can always facilitate conversation between companies that
promote free or open source software when going for an European project.
That would be a good push even if osgeo itself is not part of the bid.

On Jul 27, 2017 10:39 AM, "Cameron Shorter" <cameron.shorter at gmail.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> I think OSGeo and OSGeo-EU should be very careful not to compete
> commercially or provide commercial favour for one organisation or
> individual over another. Doing so is fraught with potential for bias,
> corruption, having vendors buy influence, and accusations of foul play.
> OSGeo is by design a Not-For-Profit organisation.
>
> We should certainly be promoting Open Source Software, and teaching
> agencies how to evaluate the value of established and mature projects (as
> proven by OSGeo incubation process).
>
> We should be helping show agencies how to engage most effectively with
> Open Source communities, showing the business value that can be gained by
> giving back, rather than just taking from Open Source communities.
>
> Warm regards, Cameron
>
> On 27/7/17 5:01 pm, Maria Antonia Brovelli wrote:
>
> Thanks Dirk, this gives more information to the board.  Please can you
> tell us what happens if and when two different teams of people within OSGeo
> want to answer the same call for an EU project? As we are more or less
> working on the same topics it will happen (is very probable) that we have 2
> proposals which are in competition. Who decide proposal A and not B or
> proposal A and B?
> For sure you already discussed because this can create problems in the
> community. Do you reach a consensus about that?
> Have a good day!
> Maria
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung device
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Dirk Frigne <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com> <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com>
> Date: 26/07/2017 17:26 (GMT+01:00)
> To: board at lists.osgeo.org, eu at lists.osgeo.org
> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a
> European Chapter
>
> Steven,
>
> Thank you for your reply.
> I forwarded the discussion to the eu-list, as I think more people will
> read this than the board list. So more people could be involved in the
> discussion.
>
> I think you made a good summary of an answer. If OSGeo is involved in a
> H2020 project, it could ask for funding to promote open source for Geo
> on the different dissimination actions of the project. It also could
> provide money to support code sprints and the travel costs involved.
>
> I think the most important element to involve OSGeo in such projects is
> to promote the organisation in the European projects, making it visible
> and giving it a platform to speak up.
>
> To be the prime contractor is another level I think. And to obtain this
> we should have a good team that could run such a project. In this case I
> think we should the right people to do this, and of course the money
> could come from the project to support this.
>
> But to start with, I proposr to just focus on bringing our name on the
> European agenda.
>
> I also think it is more important to act and go forward in stead of
> discuss and stand still. If problems arise, they will be discussed, as
> we do already more than 10 years.
>
> And by the way, for the H2020 project we are involved in right now is
> the prime contractor the Flemish region. So not only businesses,
> universities, but also NGO's and public authorities can be part of it.
> This is i.m.h.o. a very interesting platform for OSGeo to get involved
> in new software projects, and promote the use and creation of (Geo) open
> source software.
>
> my2c
> Dirk
>
> On 2017-07-26 16:08, Steven Feldman wrote:
> > I’m not involved in the thinking on applying for H2020 or any other EU
> > opportunities so I am not going to try to answer Maxi’s questions on
> > behalf of the prospective chapter.
> >
> > My thoughts:
> >
> > I think that we need to be flexible in considering how we would organise
> > to respond to an opportunity, it may be a consortium of European OSGeo
> > businesses (and universities)  or it may be that there is a case for
> > OSGeo Europe actually being the prime contractor. I would expect each
> > opportunity to require a different approach.
> >
> > I don’t see why membership of the European Chapter should be restricted
> > to charter members, AFAIK we don’t apply that rule in any of our local
> > chapters (we certainly don’t in UK)
> >
> > We don’t need to have hard and fast rules or to answer every question
> > before we get started.
> > ______
> > Steven
> >
> >
> >> On 26 Jul 2017, at 14:44, Maria Antonia Brovelli
> >> <maria.brovelli at polimi.it <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it
> <maria.brovelli at polimi.it>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks Steven for your input. Please, can you help also in answering
> >> the items pointed out by Maxi?
> >> One of the reasons of creating the Eu Chaper is also to apply for Eu
> >> calls and therefore the questions seem to me of interest. Maxi is also
> >> an enthusiastic chapter member and also his opinion deserves attention.
> >> Thanks a lot for helping the Board in considering all the facets and
> >> the different points of view.
> >> Best regards
> >> Maria
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my Samsung device
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original message --------
> >> From: Steven Feldman <shfeldman at gmail.com <mailto:shfeldman at gmail.com
> <shfeldman at gmail.com>>>
> >> Date: 26/07/2017 11:36 (GMT+01:00)
> >> To: OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org
> <board at lists.osgeo.org>>>
> >> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a
> >> European Chapter
> >>
> >> I would encourage the board to allow the European members who are
> >> enthusiastic about the formation of a European Chapter to get started
> >> without trying to be too prescriptive or to resolve possible issues or
> >> question before it arises.
> >>
> >> Let’s harness enthusiasm to try new things
> >> ______
> >> Steven
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 26 Jul 2017, at 08:36, board-request at lists.osgeo.org
> >>> <mailto:board-request at lists.osgeo.org <board-request at lists.osgeo.org>>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 07:03:35 +0000
> >>> From: Maria Antonia Brovelli <maria.brovelli at polimi.it
> >>> <mailto:maria.brovelli at polimi.it <maria.brovelli at polimi.it>>>
> >>> To: Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
> >>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>>>,
> Dirk Frigne
> >>> <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com
> <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com>>>, OSGeo
> >>> Discussions
> >>> <discuss at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:discuss at lists.osgeo.org
> <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>>>,
> >>> "eu at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:eu at lists.osgeo.org <eu at lists.osgeo.org>>"
> <eu at lists.osgeo.org
> >>> <mailto:eu at lists.osgeo.org <eu at lists.osgeo.org>>>,
> >>> OSGeo Board <board at lists.osgeo.org <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org
> <board at lists.osgeo.org>>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a
> >>> EuropeanChapter
> >>> Message-ID: <5ftepg0wr5inr7nw6af50b82.1501052432010 at email.android.com
> >>> <mailto:5ftepg0wr5inr7nw6af50b82.1501052432010 at email.android.com
> <5ftepg0wr5inr7nw6af50b82.1501052432010 at email.android.com>>>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>>
> >>> Dear Maxi
> >>> Well noted. We'll discuss about that as well. This is a relevant
> >>> point. Thank you for suggesting solutions.
> >>> Are there other comments by other members?
> >>> Best regards
> >>> Maria
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my Samsung device
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original message --------
> >>> From: Massimiliano Cannata <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch
> >>> <mailto:massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch <massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch>
> >>
> >>> Date: 25/07/2017 14:13 (GMT+01:00)
> >>> To: Dirk Frigne <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com
> >>> <mailto:dirk.frigne at geosparc.com <dirk.frigne at geosparc.com>>>, OSGeo
> Discussions
> >>> <discuss at lists.osgeo.org
> >>> <mailto:discuss at lists.osgeo.org <discuss at lists.osgeo.org>>>,
> eu at lists.osgeo.org
> >>> <mailto:eu at lists.osgeo.org <eu at lists.osgeo.org>>, OSGeo Board <
> board at lists.osgeo.org
> >>> <mailto:board at lists.osgeo.org <board at lists.osgeo.org>>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Board] Fwd: Official expression of interest forming a
> >>> European Chapter
> >>>
> >>> Dear European charter members and OSGeo board,
> >>> I would like to express my support for an OSGeo continental chapter
> >>> and provide my point of view, that even if often considered
> >>> uncomfortable, hope will bring discussion to improve.
> >>>
> >>> I hope that before starting the chapter:
> >>>
> >>> * there is a clear and equitable rule for using the OSGeo name in
> >>> European bids (see h2020 for example) since this may be a competitive
> >>> advantage.
> >>> It is totally unclear to me how OSGeo-EU would relate to H2020
> >>> projects for example:
> >>> - Will it participate as a partner in any calls?
> >>> - How the selection of supported project will be done?
> >>> - How, in case of funding, allocated money will be distributed to
> >>> members?
> >>>
> >>> * there is a defined and focused coordination with local chapters
> >>> - synergies are needed to avoid duplication of efforts and adoption
> >>> of a common action line.
> >>> - ideally I'd like to see a hierarchical structure from international
> >>> to continental and national level "chapters" but this is a matter for
> >>> the board..
> >>>
> >>> Here some proposed actions,
> >>> that in my opinion would demonstrate the open principle of the OSGeo
> >>> European Chapter  community:
> >>>
> >>> * run a democratic election of the board representatives within 6
> >>> months from the inception
> >>>
> >>> * include all the OSGeo charter member that express their willing as
> >>> "full" member (was charter member in OSGeo not sure how "full member"
> >>> is in OSGeo-EU)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Maxi
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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>
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